Internal Release & Crit Rate

[NefGP]

Yeah, they are not the same thing. Critical Hit Rate is measured against your target (idk what stats specifically, in FFXI it was DEX vs target AGI though I'm oversimplifying it) to give you your actual chance to land a critical hit.


So it would appear my initial hunch may be correct, though some math to back that up would be better.

[Thorauku]

Wrong. Crit HIT rate =/= Crit chance

This should be helpful http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=202

Oh wow, this is the first MMO that I've played that crit hit rate and chance is different. or maybe the term is just too confusing

Edit:
On another note, I tried using the simulator in the link, and checked Internal Release and pressed Calculate, and it does increase Critical Hit Chance.

Internal Release description is Increase Critical Hit Rate by 20% and going by the link you've posted, it does increase the Critical Hit Chance, so Critical Hit Rate = Critical Hit Chance.

[NefGP]

Rate doesn't = chance, period.

IIRC, @ 50 it's been found that roughly every 13.8 (round up to 14) Crit Rate = +1% chance to crit.

[Thorauku]

Rate doesn't = chance, period.

IIRC, @ 50 it's been found that roughly every 13.8 (round up to 14) Crit Rate = +1% chance to crit.

I have some basis on what I'm saying, where's yours?

[chococo]

Oh wow, this is the first MMO that I've played that crit hit rate and chance is different. or maybe the term is just too confusing

Edit:
On another note, I tried using the simulator in the link, and checked Internal Release and pressed Calculate, and it does increase Critical Hit Chance.

Internal Release description is Increase Critical Hit Rate by 20% and going by the link you've posted, it does increase the Critical Hit Chance, so Critical Hit Rate = Critical Hit Chance.

It does increase the chance but not by a flat rate of 20%. Try it again. All it does is increase your crit hit rate by 20% and give you the corresponding crit chance.

e.g. at 341 crit hit rate (default in calculator) = 5.15% crit hit chance
at 341 with 20% IR ticked = 9.87% crit hit chance
at 409 (=341x1.2) without IR ticked = 9.86% crit hit chance

[Thorauku]

It does increase the chance but not by a flat rate of 20%. Try it again. All it does is increase your crit hit rate by 20% and give you the corresponding crit chance.

e.g. at 341 crit hit rate (default in calculator) = 5.15% crit hit chance
at 341 with 20% IR ticked = 9.87% crit hit chance
at 409 (=341x1.2) without IR ticked = 9.86% crit hit chance

Well, with what you've said, then it's definitely crit chance = rate.

Anyhow, I won't bothered anymore, I'm only basing my assumptions from the simulator the dude from other page provided.

[chococo]

Well, with what you've said, then it's definitely crit chance = rate.

Anyhow, I won't bothered anymore, I'm only basing my assumptions from the simulator the dude from other page provided.

are you lost or am I misunderstanding you?

The argument from above posters in this thread says either: 1) IR gives a flat 20% increase to hit chance; or 2) gives 20% increase to hit rate which doesn't correlate to 20% hit chance.

No one said it doesn't increase hit chance whatsoever.

What the simulator confirms is that IR =/= flat 20% increase to hit chance.

[Thorauku]

are you lost or am I misunderstanding you?

The argument from above posters in this thread says either: 1) IR gives a flat 20% increase to hit chance; or 2) gives 20% increase to hit rate which doesn't correlate to 20% hit chance.

No one said it doesn't increase hit chance whatsoever.

What the simulator confirms is that IR =/= flat 20% increase to hit chance.

What I'm trying to say is that crit chance = crit rate. What your statement clears is that the formula is multiplicative and not additive which is obviously stated in the simulator and I never mentioned about it because it is TOO OBVIOUS, but the fact that Crit rate (from IR) increased the chance, then my arguement is correct when I said that chance = rate.

Got it? Or is it that hard to understand for you? LOL!

[Allyrion]

To clear up all this confusion, Critical Hit Rate in the character screen should be called "Critical Hit Rating".
The current form is wrong and misleading. It is either a typo or someone doesn't know the difference.
Critical hit rate = Critical hit chance =/= Critical hit rating
Rating is the arbitrary number used to affect the rate of critical hits.

Either way, if IR is multiplicative then why isn't the rating in the character window changed.
Skill speed changes with selene's buff and there are other examples. Why does IR not change your stats?

I agree with Powercow, pandabearcat (who has made her own sim) and Ephier that it seems to be additive.
That other simulator might just be based on an assumption as well. I don't see any backing.

[Thorauku]

Ye, it's really confusing. One way to solve this is for devs to add a feature on when you hover your pointer to the specific stat. it'll show the % of that stat.

That way, theorycrafters will have an easier way on figuring things out. And not just base on assumptions as it seems really pointless.