People abusing party in progress option

[PSxpert2011]

Greetings,

The development team is aware of the fact that there are some players who will constantly withdraw when you are being matched with players via the Duty Finder. They plan on implementing countermeasures for this to decrease the frequency in which this happens

Listen:

A full page talking about penalizing. Why not just give the system more flexibility - make it so that you can click to only join groups in progress. Problem solved.

Smart but people of other cultures have different perspectives apparently. The only benefit to Duty Finder it where noobs can make a match-make in cross-server heaven. No amount of tweaking, tightening of the screws or adding plate-amor counter-measures is going to change human nature to be jerks in a MMO.

In addition a solution:
As a community, you can either deal with it or do the 'ol fashion way of doing raids- build your own party and hopefully (and damnit SE, you better listen) give LS/FC parties a bonus over DF-made parties. Cross-server match-making seems great on paper but people you don't give a crap about and never going to see again shouldn't influence a MVP system that's going to live to be forgotten.

Before Duty Finder was put to the test, when it was announced I thought, "My, we can set up our own party by advertising on a billboard like classifieds! How cool! We can see the party-make, how many are there, the level, all the needy info before joining!" Like picking a mission and checking the squad but nooooooo! They when ahead of us and did their own thing, with systems. SE, you build too many systems that try to think for us when we should be the ones thinking.

Duty Finder reform:
It's what it is and (hopefully) will be, a well made distant memory.

[Kitkat]

I find it interesting people keep bringing up the excuse "You think queues are long now, if they do this they will get longer" which is a false statement. How does it affect anyone that is queueing for a dungeon that you back out of looking for the in progress 2/3 only? It actually gives them the chance to know that the tank/healer that popped in is actually looking rather than skipping around looking for an easy meal ticket.

This in essence doesn't affect the queue at all because you aren't joining full runs to begin with making your statement false and just a bait and switch to try and keep the system from changing.

[Huxer]

Please stop. The logic of this entire argument is bad. People are queuing for DF in progress and when they don't get a group in progress they are rerolling for a different group. Generally these people are tanks or healers because they have a faster queue. EVERYONE is both a tank AND a healer...everyone.

If you succeed in making some type of penalty for people to join an in progress run, I don't think you've thought through what that would mean. First off, if you are in a group where someone leaves, you might as well drop too and re queue because no one will be coming...ever. Secondly, this will NOT I repeat NOT bring more tanks or healers in for full runs of AK or WP. If these guys are so impatient that they can't be troubled to run the entire dungeon now do you think they're going to now just run with anyone? No, they will form static teams and propagate the elitism on the local servers.

The problem you see here is not even a problem, you are unhappy because you see it flick on and off while youre waiting from your group and it's disheartening. I here to tell you that what you would have is an even longer wait with no signs of life at all.

TLDR; be careful what you wish for.

[ChiefCurrahee]

If someone wants full rewards let them do a full clear.

If someone only wants to put in minimal effort, give them minimal rewards.

TANSTAAFL!

[Tahldon]

I put myself out of my misery a long time ago and simply stopped using Duty Finder.

[Huxer]

Oh I haven't used it in weeks either, I assume some people are upset with how some of the other people who use it are using it. I think it's funny that people think; "If those people stop the other people from using it the way they don't like that they will still be using it the next day." I'm guessing they will not.

[Meklore]

Why don't they just take all the mobs away.
Q up, enter dungeon, click on treasure chest & done.
That would solve all the problems now wouldn't it?

I'm not sure which is worse, players trying to justify their laziness or SE condoning the behavior.

If it were up to me there would be no leaving a dungeon and therefore no need for the 'join in progress' option.
If you don't have the time to complete the dungeon then don't q up.

I don't see people coming into a movie half way through, a football game until halftime, or a restaurant part way through dinner, etc.
So why is it OK here?

[Huxer]

Why don't they just take all the mobs away.
Q up, enter dungeon, click on treasure chest & done.
That would solve all the problems now wouldn't it?

I'm not sure which is worse, players trying to justify their laziness or SE condoning the behavior.

If it were up to me there would be no leaving a dungeon and therefore no need for the 'join in progress' option.
If you don't have the time to complete the dungeon then don't q up.

I don't see people coming into a movie half way through, a football game until halftime, or a restaurant part way through dinner, etc.
So why is it OK here?

Because 1 players leaving leaves 3 players with an unfinished run?

[ChiefCurrahee]

True story:

3am PST me and 2 other FC members are queued up for WP/AK which ever pops first. We are Drg Smn Sch.

10-15 min goes by then we get a pop then almost as quickly as the accept window appeared it notified us that the join player (the tank) had withdrawn.

It re-queues us, about5 seconds later DF pops, tank withdraws. then DF pops, Tank withdraws. the next few minutes looks like this:

AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws

That's 15 times in a row that a Tank queued up and withdrawn so they could get a FULL reward for minimal effort.

I hope SE does the right thing and enforces a cooldown on join after subsequent withdraws.

Or better, and over all more fair to everyone, reward players based on dungeon participation.

If you did a full clear you get full rewards.

If you join 1/2 way through you get 50% of the max reward.

Join on the last boss, get 20% of the max reward.


It's comparable to a single primal fight. Garuda takes ~7-12 min to kill (depending on grp) and you get 10 tomes as a reward.

Kill final boss in WP get rewarded 6 tomes. (20%)

Kill final boss in AK get rewarded 8 tomes. (20%)

similar effort <-> similar rewards.

[Selkie]

Total BS. So they screw people over but don't get penalized for it? *slow clap* You are just leaving in an exploit that people can use .. if not that then a damn sure way to get what they want.

Why I REFUSE to use the DF anymore.

You don't even have a single class leveled to 50 so you obviously don't play the game so of course you don't use DF. *slow clap*