People abusing party in progress option

[Zumi]

Seems like people blowing this way out of proportion. The amount of people who keep withdrawing over and over to try and get a 2/3 is pretty small and doesn't happen often.

[Astarica]

Seems like people blowing this way out of proportion. The amount of people who keep withdrawing over and over to try and get a 2/3 is pretty small and doesn't happen often.

About the only way it affects me is hearing the 'queue pop' sound 20 times in a row on rare occasions. There just isn't very many groups that have their tank mysteriously leave at 2/3, and if people are as clever as they claim, it'd be pretty obvious after you tried at a few times.

[Mairuzu]

These things really get on my nerves. So if I go out there and I start snatching purses to grandmas is not my fault, right? It was theirs for going alone, obviously.

How the hell does snatching purses from grandmothers resemble, in any way, joining a queue for an already started group on a video game? (Hint: It doesn't) What an absurdly fallacious comparison. You should be ashamed of trying to pass this off as logical.

[Yshnal]

I still see no reason to blame a tank for taking advantage of an option the square enix implemented into the game. Its quite silly to strike at the branches and not the root.

One thing is to tick the option to join a party in progress and then accepting any group that you get, or just declining it sometimes for whatever reason. But another thing is to purposely use the duty finder to spam the queue, declining all groups until you find one that suits your special tastes (not necessarily on the last boss, and I know what I say here as I know people that do this). That's not taking advantage of anything, but abusing it, specially when some of those same people say that they know that they're annoying other players by doing that. That's what people are complaining about.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.

How the hell does snatching purses from grandmothers resemble, in any way, joining a queue for an already started group on a video game? (Hint: It doesn't) What an absurdly fallacious comparison. You should be ashamed of trying to pass this off as logical.

It was an analogy and it's perfectly valid to explain what I was trying to explain (read the rest of the posts). Nice try though.

[Sephirah]

You really shouldn't care about the opinions of those who generalize off one or even a few people anyways. Just saying

Its also not that anonymous. You can search for this player in game if you're on their server.

I still see no reason to blame a tank for taking advantage of an option the square enix implemented into the game. Its quite silly to strike at the branches and not the root.

Also, if you think the person you're quoting deserves to get their ass kicked for saying something then something is quite wrong with you and not them. That's pretty messed up. Despite the fact that you may disagree with them, its not enough to cause violence to them. Ever.

Who is generalizing? I was talking to that tank specifically, hence the word "you". And I'm not advocating anyone kick their ass for what they said, but the behavior they are advocating and their attitude about it is not the way a person can behave in real life and expect to get by.

The anonymity I was referring to has nothing to do with being able to find their character again. They said themselves they don't care because the people in their group are random and they will never play with them again. We don't know who this person really is, and can never know (without some illicit illegal activity) without them telling us. That means he is safe to be as douchy as he wants without having his "real" character tarnished. And when I say character I don't mean another character, I mean their character, as in a personality trait.

[Mairuzu]

One thing is to tick the option to join a party in progress and then accepting any group that you get, or just declining it sometimes for whatever reason.

Its not abusing it. If the game gives you the option to join a party in progress then you should be able to join a party in progress or be queued until one needs you. The fact that the game puts you into a group you don't want and didn't even request isn't the fault of the player. If they wanted to join a new party then they would have done so from the beginning. We are dealing with paying customers here that can and will get what they want as long as its not a violation of their agreement. If it continues to pop something up that you're not requesting to do then what are you left to do? You try again. No one is purposely trying to spam the queue since no one wants to sit there doing that. What players are doing is declining something the game is simply screwing up on.

[Mairuzu]

Who is generalizing?

You're misunderstanding me. You told a tank that hes giving tanks bad names. This implies that when someone sees this tank being a douche, then that person judges and generalizes all tanks based off that one douche. To which I said, you shouldn't really care about the opinions of those who generalize like that.

They should be able to. Its not enough to cause violence to them.

[Sephirah]

Its not abusing it.

So because the game lets you, it's not abuse to say, tank a boss in a specific location that trivializes core mechanics? Because I'm pretty sure SE considers things like that abuse, or "exploits".

Just because the game lets you do something does not mean it's ok or intended. Again, there is nothing wrong with backing out of a group because you have to do something else. But intentionally looking for mostly cleared dungeons and REFUSING to tank a fresh dungeon is not intended.

I laughed so hard this morning when in an AK run, after we killed the first boss, our healer goes "way to make that fight take a millinia" to which I replied "if you know a faster way that isn't an exploit, be my guest". They dropped group immediately.

You're misunderstanding me. You told a tank that hes giving tanks bad names. This implies that when someone sees this tank being a douche, then that person judges and generalizes all tanks based off that one douche. To which I said, you shouldn't really care about the opinions of those who generalize like that.

They should be able to. Its not enough to cause violence to them.

You are really hung up on that comment about not being able to act like that in real life without getting your ass kicked huh? Judging by your "love-elution" signature I think it's safe to assume you are in the "violence doesn't solve anything" boat. And while I agree POINTLESS violence doesn't solve anything, it is an absolute FACT that throughout the entire history of humanity, more conflicts have been RESOLVED through violence than ANY other medium.

Again, I am NOT saying we should all go kick this guys ass or any other tank that does this. I'm just saying if that is how they act in real life, then yea, eventually someone is gonna smack em, lol.

[Mairuzu]

So because the game lets you, it's not abuse to say, tank a boss in a specific location that trivializes core mechanics? Because I'm pretty sure SE considers things like abuse, or "exploits".

When SE comes out and says this specific case is an abuse, then I'll admit you're right. Until then.... they don't compare. If a game allows you to start a party in progress then it should deliver. It sucks that the game does this to players and it should be fixed that gives everyone what they want, like it should be.

[Yshnal]

Its not abusing it. If the game gives you the option to join a party in progress then you should be able to join a party in progress or be queued until one needs you. The fact that the game puts you into a group you don't want and didn't even request isn't the fault of the player. If they wanted to join a new party then they would have done so from the beginning. We are dealing with paying customers here that can and will get what they want as long as its not a violation of their agreement. If it continues to pop something up that you're not requesting to do then what are you left to do? You try again. No one is purposely trying to spam the queue since no one wants to sit there doing that. What players are doing is declining something the game is simply screwing up on.

The option is not there for people that want to join an already started duty, but for those that don't mind or are willing to join one, no matter at what boss they're at. It might seem a small difference, but it's a pretty important one if you think about it, and it's the way it's designed. Like it or hate it, but don't abuse it and annoy everyone else that understands how it works. That's simply what people are asking here.

As with a lot of things, SE is guilty on assuming that players would be willing to help others, but failed miserably with that assumption. That's the only thing that they're at fault on this matter, and not on what people do with the system.