People abusing party in progress option

[Curagaja]

This explains me 100%.
Every time I am online I do this for AK, WP, Prae, and Brayflox as a 50WHM. I don't join Prae, WP, or AK unless they are at the last boss. I don't join Bray unless they are beyond the first boss. Why do I do this? Due to class and work I can only play starting late friday through mid sunday (some weekends, like this coming one, I can't play even that much due to presentations and meetings). I want to finish what I can as quickly as I can so I can catch up to all those players who play everyday all day. Unless they implement severe punishment for it I don't see myself stopping this for any reason anytime soon.

You honestly shouldn't be complaining about me backing out of a Duty Finder party before it starts.
Let's say I, as the healer, back out after we are all matched. If this happens, then the next immediate healer that registered after me will take this spot. If the other healer that took this spot decides to enter, great! If they, too, back out, then it will be passed to the next immediate healer. This continues until some healer joins and all is good.
But what if there were no other healers searching but me? If that happens, then the remaining three players who were searching are put at the top of the queue and enter as soon as a healer with more free-time appears. This situation is exactly the same as if I was never searching to begin with. I assume I do not have to explain the bold to you.

In my opinion the developers should not be upset about this, but instead add a drop down menu to the Duty Finder next to "Join in Progress" that allows players to only match with parties that have cleared [0/4+], [1/4+] [2/4+] [3/4+] of the dungeon. This way we don't get matched with new parties and you don't complain about us and instead complain about the already existent wait times for the Duty Finder that you suffer anyway.
Even better: I want the developer's to also add a function that tells those you join in progress the current number of player roles left in the dungeon at the time of matching. I'm tired of joining AK/Brayflox at the end without a tank. It should mention "Progress [1/4] Tank[1/1] DPS[2/2] Healer[0/1] when I try to join in progress.
In fact, I like this idea so much I will post it as a whole new unrelated thread so it can get some attention.

[Zfz]

This situation is exactly the same as if I was never searching to begin with. I assume I do not have to explain the bold to you.

When there is no server reservation queue, what you say is correct, although it still is annoying as hell.

But when there is a server reservation queue, what you're doing is to repeatedly throw people to the back of the reservation queue. During peak hours, that could extend people's waiting time for anywhere from 20~40 minutes.

I'm sure you have seen those 200min queue time screenshots. It's no joke. It happens during peak hour because the instance servers are always full.


I'm all for the 30-sec lockout each time you withdraw. If you have a valid reason to withdraw intentionally (i.e. not those who miss the Commence dialog and let it slip timing out) by clicking on Decline, then you sure will be away for more than 30 seconds.

[PSxpert2011]

Greetings,

The development team is aware of the fact that there are some players who will constantly withdraw when you are being matched with players via the Duty Finder. They plan on implementing countermeasures for this to decrease the frequency in which this happens

Listen:

A full page talking about penalizing. Why not just give the system more flexibility - make it so that you can click to only join groups in progress. Problem solved.

Smart but people of other cultures have different perspectives apparently. The only benefit to Duty Finder it where noobs can make a match-make in cross-server heaven. No amount of tweaking, tightening of the screws or adding plate-amor counter-measures is going to change human nature to be jerks in a MMO.

In addition a solution:
As a community, you can either deal with it or do the 'ol fashion way of doing raids- build your own party and hopefully (and damnit SE, you better listen) give LS/FC parties a bonus over DF-made parties. Cross-server match-making seems great on paper but people you don't give a crap about and never going to see again shouldn't influence a MVP system that's going to live to be forgotten.

Before Duty Finder was put to the test, when it was announced I thought, "My, we can set up our own party by advertising on a billboard like classifieds! How cool! We can see the party-make, how many are there, the level, all the needy info before joining!" Like picking a mission and checking the squad but nooooooo! They when ahead of us and did their own thing, with systems. SE, you build too many systems that try to think for us when we should be the ones thinking.

Duty Finder reform:
It's what it is and (hopefully) will be, a well made distant memory.

[Uveck]

Manipulating the system because you feel the need to be lazy should most definitely be a violation.

Its a shame they won't institute lock timers for these people. If you really have to back out of 3 or more different Q's in a row you should probably get offline and settle your business.

"I don't feel like doing the whole thing so I will waste other peoples time until I get what I want."

Awesome ...

Excuse me, how much time is being wasted? You waited an hour to get into your duty and you are upset about 3 or more 30 second windows? Am I reading this right?

[Wobble]

They should get at least an hour for the first one, second time 2 hours and third time 12 hours penalties.

[Makior72]

1 hour penalty for withdrawing one time. Totally legit

[Astarica]

I think you should just get a 30 second lockout if you decline to take the Duty Finder. I can't imagine why having a 30 second lockout would ever bother me if I had a legitmate reason to decline it, but it sure would slow down the guys abusing the system.

[Wyverna]

I agree that someone who continually withdraws without giving a DF party a chance shouldn't. However , I'm a lv 50 Relic +1. I use the DF regularly. But I'm finding so many parties where the Tank can't hold aggro, and the members quit over a wipe that really wasn't anybodies fault, stuff just happens sometimes. But if you're a lv50 Tank and you can't hold aggro, you need to be doing lower lvl dungeons til you learn how. I'm sorry for the DPS but I have no patience with Tanks who don't know how to Tank.

[ReyGaspar]

You know what's even worst?

As a DPS, I once joined a Cutter's Cry party via the DF. There was a lvl 50 tank, who ran straight into the first group of mobs as soon as we start.
Once everyone helped cleaned up the mess....

Tank: "I am only here for the Sand Bat"
Tank: "gl"
Tank leaves the party

45mins of wait just to see this...(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

[chubnasty]

i mostly withdraw because im interested in finding a dungeon already started/half or almost complete. so if there could be a check box to que up for when someone leaves it would save people from doing this.