People abusing party in progress option

[Kitkat]

I find it interesting people keep bringing up the excuse "You think queues are long now, if they do this they will get longer" which is a false statement. How does it affect anyone that is queueing for a dungeon that you back out of looking for the in progress 2/3 only? It actually gives them the chance to know that the tank/healer that popped in is actually looking rather than skipping around looking for an easy meal ticket.

This in essence doesn't affect the queue at all because you aren't joining full runs to begin with making your statement false and just a bait and switch to try and keep the system from changing.

[Huxer]

Please stop. The logic of this entire argument is bad. People are queuing for DF in progress and when they don't get a group in progress they are rerolling for a different group. Generally these people are tanks or healers because they have a faster queue. EVERYONE is both a tank AND a healer...everyone.

If you succeed in making some type of penalty for people to join an in progress run, I don't think you've thought through what that would mean. First off, if you are in a group where someone leaves, you might as well drop too and re queue because no one will be coming...ever. Secondly, this will NOT I repeat NOT bring more tanks or healers in for full runs of AK or WP. If these guys are so impatient that they can't be troubled to run the entire dungeon now do you think they're going to now just run with anyone? No, they will form static teams and propagate the elitism on the local servers.

The problem you see here is not even a problem, you are unhappy because you see it flick on and off while youre waiting from your group and it's disheartening. I here to tell you that what you would have is an even longer wait with no signs of life at all.

TLDR; be careful what you wish for.

[ChiefCurrahee]

If someone wants full rewards let them do a full clear.

If someone only wants to put in minimal effort, give them minimal rewards.

TANSTAAFL!

[Tahldon]

I put myself out of my misery a long time ago and simply stopped using Duty Finder.

[Huxer]

Oh I haven't used it in weeks either, I assume some people are upset with how some of the other people who use it are using it. I think it's funny that people think; "If those people stop the other people from using it the way they don't like that they will still be using it the next day." I'm guessing they will not.

[Meklore]

Why don't they just take all the mobs away.
Q up, enter dungeon, click on treasure chest & done.
That would solve all the problems now wouldn't it?

I'm not sure which is worse, players trying to justify their laziness or SE condoning the behavior.

If it were up to me there would be no leaving a dungeon and therefore no need for the 'join in progress' option.
If you don't have the time to complete the dungeon then don't q up.

I don't see people coming into a movie half way through, a football game until halftime, or a restaurant part way through dinner, etc.
So why is it OK here?

[Huxer]

Why don't they just take all the mobs away.
Q up, enter dungeon, click on treasure chest & done.
That would solve all the problems now wouldn't it?

I'm not sure which is worse, players trying to justify their laziness or SE condoning the behavior.

If it were up to me there would be no leaving a dungeon and therefore no need for the 'join in progress' option.
If you don't have the time to complete the dungeon then don't q up.

I don't see people coming into a movie half way through, a football game until halftime, or a restaurant part way through dinner, etc.
So why is it OK here?

Because 1 players leaving leaves 3 players with an unfinished run?

[ChiefCurrahee]

True story:

3am PST me and 2 other FC members are queued up for WP/AK which ever pops first. We are Drg Smn Sch.

10-15 min goes by then we get a pop then almost as quickly as the accept window appeared it notified us that the join player (the tank) had withdrawn.

It re-queues us, about5 seconds later DF pops, tank withdraws. then DF pops, Tank withdraws. the next few minutes looks like this:

AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws
AK instance ready; Player (Tank) Withdraws

That's 15 times in a row that a Tank queued up and withdrawn so they could get a FULL reward for minimal effort.

I hope SE does the right thing and enforces a cooldown on join after subsequent withdraws.

Or better, and over all more fair to everyone, reward players based on dungeon participation.

If you did a full clear you get full rewards.

If you join 1/2 way through you get 50% of the max reward.

Join on the last boss, get 20% of the max reward.


It's comparable to a single primal fight. Garuda takes ~7-12 min to kill (depending on grp) and you get 10 tomes as a reward.

Kill final boss in WP get rewarded 6 tomes. (20%)

Kill final boss in AK get rewarded 8 tomes. (20%)

similar effort <-> similar rewards.

[Amyas]

It's comparable to a single primal fight. Garuda takes ~7-12 min to kill (depending on grp) and you get 10 tomes as a reward.

Kill final boss in WP get rewarded 6 tomes. (20%)

Kill final boss in AK get rewarded 8 tomes. (20%)

similar effort <-> similar rewards.

Well, I que in progress all the time and never leave or 'fish' for a almost finished dungeon, but if this kind of thing was implemented I wouldn't q in progress at all, so that's shooting yourself in the foot there.

[xRitzx]

Bumping, people kept dropping out of my queues for 10 minutes today for Crystal Tower!