People abusing party in progress option

[Lissandra]

Um, a lot of the in-progress sessions I have joined was because the Tank left.

Ironically, the reason for the tank leaving is because the people I got matched up with using the in-progress option ended being jerks. And they wonder why their tank left? LOL

This can go both ways, honestly. I've met scores of under-geared tanks or tanks who can't hold aggro/threat properly (and don't use their skills correctly, even) and we all end up dying a lot. I usually am not the one to spout crap at them, but my other party members are always willing (mostly the healer).

An example I have from a DF party last night. Our tank was geared well, but surprisingly he had no solid knowledge of how a tank was played. He constantly lost aggro/threat, rarely flashed or shield lobbed, and loved to open with provoke (what?). The other DPS, whom played a tank usually, asked if he wanted some tips and all he was met with was silence. After several more minutes the healer was ready to bail. I opted out first and saved the tank and everyone else their 15 min lock-out timer.

[Zeille]

Just run the full dungeon from the start like the rest of us.

I have all 3 roles unlocked and would never pull this stunt just to save myself some time and get some easier tomes. I could totally do this, but it's a selfish "I'ma gonna get mine, f*^& everyone else" way of playing.

(That is, referring to spamming join in progress and then withdrawing in the hopes you luck out. If you check it every now and then, no big deal)

[Astarica]

If you're waiting for 40 minutes for something to pop and you accidentlaly declined something and got hit by a 30 seconds lockout, the 30 second lockout isn't what's going to bother you. It's the fact that you're now going back to queue for probably another 40 minutes before it pops. The only class that has instant pops would be the tank, and honestly, there just aren't that many groups at 2/3 where the tank mysteriously had to go, and given AK/WP pretty much have no dependence on the tank whatsoever in the final boss, there's actually a pretty good chance that such a group is really bad. I think I've seen exactly once where a tank had to go at 2/3 in WP in all the times I've done it. It just doesn't happen very often. Even for the tank class, you could end up waiting for a rather long time to get that spot. Apparently people have no time to play this game but can easily take 20+ minutes trying to find a 2/3 progress wait spamming joins. It doesn't even really help you because you're not the only lazy guy out there who has suddenly figured this out, and it only works if you're a tank to begin with. If you tried that as a DPS it's pretty much always another 40 minutes wait in the queue.

[Astarica]

Nobody comes out ahead in this. The only way withdrawing helps you is if you are the only person in the world who is that lazy, but you'll quickly found out that plenty of other people are just as lazy as you that, ironically, is busy competing for those 2/3 slots. This is compounded by the fact that there is basically no incentive for a tank to leave a 2/3 AK/WP group unless that group is just terrible, so it's actually a pretty high-risk situation for the tank to join a 2/3 (though you should still always take the chance). This is one of those situation where players need to be protected from their own stupidity, but if SE choses to do nothing, it doesn't particularly bother me that someone who can get instant queue is spending 20+ minutes to get into a dungeon that can be finished in under 30 minutes easily.

[xRitzx]

That's completely fair that you will do what you believe is right. However, you can't compare a situation like withdrawing from a queue and getting a reward (myth) to walking down the street naked where you could very possibly get punished by the police.

Just for the record, I have withdrew and queued a few times but I only did it like 3 times because I'm like it's not fair for the people on the other end to waste more than 30 seconds of their time and I'm not really saving time either. I'll just join whatever pops up from now on because it is more fair and I have the time as should anyone that decides to play an MMO.

[ZohnoReecho]

That's completely fair that you will do what you believe is right. However, you can't compare a situation like withdrawing from a queue and getting a reward (myth) to walking down the street naked where you could very possibly get punished by the police.

Just for the record, I have withdrew and queued a few times but I only did it like 3 times because I'm like it's not fair for the people on the other end to waste more than 30 seconds of their time and I'm not really saving time either. I'll just join whatever pops up from now on because it is more fair and I have the time as should anyone that decides to play an MMO.

It's not just 30 seconds. When AK had the instance cap issues, after a withdraw, the party was thrown back. While someone withdraws, some other party that you could have joined might get filled. In the end it's like restarting the queue.

[xRitzx]

It's not just 30 seconds. When AK had the instance cap issues, after a withdraw, the party was thrown back. While someone withdraws, some other party that you could have joined might get filled. In the end it's like restarting the queue.

I don't know how the queues work exactly but I'm not sure it restarts the queue. In my experience, sometimes it does restart and sometimes it doesn't. For example, when I queued up for Titan hard mode sometimes people would back out of the queue. When they backed out, sometimes all the members would stay queued up and other times everyone would restart in the queue because I would be the only person in the queue. So it could cost more than 30 seconds and I'm sorry if I cost someone 40 minutes or more.

[LadyVaJedi]

That and the player should be docked gil as well

[Gucci_Charms]

The salt is strong in this thread!

[Hiiiro]

Taking out the progress meter solves this doesn't it? Didn't read through the whole 10 pages, but I think it was mentioned as a WoW fix on the first one. Wasn't that /thread ?