What is the biggest single damage number possible (no LB)

[ShinigamiB06]

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that is just not true. last letter from the producers they mentioned how they were aware that melee dps was suffering because they had to dodge too many aoes and could not do their rotations properly. and if a mage is able to hit for 2700, and i believe that is from an aoe attack...say it hits 4 mobs. that would be over 10k of damage off of only one cast. that is just outrages. my dragon would take an eternity to deal that much damage.

[xyaie]

that is just not true. last letter from the producers they mentioned how they were aware that melee dps was suffering because they had to dodge too many aoes and could not do their rotations properly. and if a mage is able to hit for 2700, and i believe that is from an aoe attack...say it hits 4 mobs. that would be over 10k of damage off of only one cast. that is just outrages. my dragon would take an eternity to deal that much damage.

2700 is with a crit, it isnt probable that it would crit on all 4. shy of swiftcast this is also with a 4 second cast spell that consumes 100% of the mages mana (given, they have means to get it back). no doubt, black mages AoE is much better than a dragoons (given dragoons AoE isnt shabby at all for the first 10-15 seconds)

also: monks are arguably top single target dps in the game on a melee friendly fight. i was joking (mostly).

[Imoye]

that is just not true. last letter from the producers they mentioned how they were aware that melee dps was suffering because they had to dodge too many aoes and could not do their rotations properly. and if a mage is able to hit for 2700, and i believe that is from an aoe attack...say it hits 4 mobs. that would be over 10k of damage off of only one cast. that is just outrages. my dragon would take an eternity to deal that much damage.

Are you actually complaining about a 4 sec cast which drains all your mana and screws up your entire rotation. Lmao, no words.

Say I hit for 2k every 10 sec, but you're hitting 500 every 1 sec, does that make me OP and you balanced? People see big hits and automatically think it means you're OP. BLM have to hardcast to deal decent damage, and in this game there is a lot of movement. That's why BLMs are perfectly balanced. I love people jumping into random discussion complaining about their own class and then indirectly asking for nerfs for other classes.

If you wanted to do AoE, you shouldn't have a rolled a dragoon. Simple as that.

[ShinigamiB06]

Are you actually complaining about a 4 sec cast which drains all your mana and screws up your entire rotation. Lmao, no words.

Say I hit for 2k every 10 sec, but you're hitting 500 every 1 sec, does that make me OP and you balanced? People see big hits and automatically think it means you're OP. BLM have to hardcast to deal decent damage, and in this game there is a lot of movement. That's why BLMs are perfectly balanced. I love people jumping into random discussion complaining about their own class and then indirectly asking for nerfs for other classes.

If you wanted to do AoE, you shouldn't have a rolled a dragoon. Simple as that.

have you even played as a dragoon? saying that a blm hits 2k per 10 seconds is realistic. and that number miltiplies when you count AoE. Any dragoon, even the best geared ones, have NEVER done 500 damage per one second. for a dragoon to deal 2k damage, even with all his buffs, it would take way more than ten seconds.

[Alenore]

have you even played as a dragoon? saying that a blm hits 2k per 10 seconds is realistic. and that number miltiplies when you count AoE. Any dragoon, even the best geared ones, have NEVER done 500 damage per one second. for a dragoon to deal 2k damage, even with all his buffs, it would take way more than ten seconds.

If I consider nothing crits :
Jump w/ PS 700, True thrust 350, Vorpal thrust 500, Full thrust 700, under BfB, HT and target under Disembowel.

Add to this : Dragonfire Dive, LS for a crit (1k1) on FT or Jump, Leg Sweep AND the dots ticking at least 3 times.

the day that my dragoon can help complete AK in 10 minutes that is the day i will say dps is balanced...

You're comparing the job with the best AOEs, buffed by BRD, killing a shitload of monsters against... A class made for single target.
DPS might not be balanced, but this is not what DPS is.

You can do much more than 2k in 2 seconds.

[ShinigamiB06]

You can do much more than 2k in 2 seconds.

usually i try not to get caught up in these things, but you honestly caught me at a really bad time. and that is why i will say that "You can do much more than 2k in 2 seconds." is by far the stupidest thing i have read in this forum so far. The best geared dragoons can hit a little over 1k with blood for blood and life surge with full thrust which is the highest burst damage skill available. and for that scenario, it would have to be an ideal scenario with both buffs on, which have crazy cooldowns so its not like you deal that damage consistently, plus the fact that it is the third skill as part of a combo chain. furthermore, that skill is part of the global cooldown so casting your next skill will take 2.5 seconds and no skill off the global cooldown will bring you up to 2k.

if you want to debate with me, im all for it. but be prepared to state facts and not made up numbers to express stupid ideology.

and for the record, blm dont just out damage other dps classes in aoe, they do so in single target too.

[Alenore]

usually i try not to get caught up in these things, but you honestly caught me at a really bad time. and that is why i will say that "You can do much more than 2k in 2 seconds." is by far the stupidest thing i have read in this forum so far. The best geared dragoons can hit a little over 1k with blood for blood and life surge with full thrust which is the highest burst damage skill available. and for that scenario, it would have to be an ideal scenario with both buffs on, which have crazy cooldowns so its not like you deal that damage consistently, plus the fact that it is the third skill as part of a combo chain. furthermore, that skill is part of the global cooldown so casting your next skill will take 2.5 seconds and no skill off the global cooldown will bring you up to 2k.

if you want to debate with me, im all for it. but be prepared to state facts and not made up numbers to express stupid ideology.

and for the record, blm dont just out damage other dps classes in aoe, they do so in single target too.

It was a mistake, I meant 10 seconds, since I was replying to your example
And yes, BLM can out damage anything as long as they stand still and have nothing else to care about than their casting bar.

(Now though, 2 crits of FT/Jump in a row under BfB would give a total of 2k2. But yes, it'd have to be in perfect conditions)

And finally, show me a video of AK under 10 minutes. WP yes, AK... as you said, be prepared to state facts.

[GoodApolloIV]

[/I] The best geared dragoons can hit a little over 1k with blood for blood and life surge with full thrust which is the highest burst damage skill available.

That is a lie. I main bard but my Alt job at the moment is dragoon and i have hetroi armor and still only have af1 head and arms, with full DL accessories and i'm hitting about 1100 crits with blood for blood and lifesurge true thrust. The best geared dragoons hit much, much harder than that. How would a class built for single target burst damage hit just over 1k when my bard that has low potency attacks has the potential to crit for around 800....

[Adamar]

That is a lie. I main bard but my Alt job at the moment is dragoon and i have hetroi armor and still only have af1 head and arms, with full DL accessories and i'm hitting about 1100 crits with blood for blood and lifesurge true thrust. The best geared dragoons hit much, much harder than that. How would a class built for single target burst damage hit just over 1k when my bard that has low potency attacks has the potential to crit for around 800....

Are you hitting marmots outside gridania or something? (Does that even make a difference in this game?) After getting the Bulges (424 total str, mostly level 70 gear) I don't think I saw a crit over 1000 on ifrit. Certainly never when I had Ifrit's spear.

[matic]

That is a lie. I main bard but my Alt job at the moment is dragoon and i have hetroi armor and still only have af1 head and arms, with full DL accessories and i'm hitting about 1100 crits with blood for blood and lifesurge true thrust. ..

no, you aren't.