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    Bardo Phor
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 70
    Unfortunately, neither Power Surge or Foe Requiem work with Dragonfire Dive.
    Just like WindBite/Venomous Bite/Flaming Arrow, the tooltips seem to say they apply as elemental damage, but they are really physical damage.
    Easily tested in Coil Turn4 against Knights/Soldiers.

    DRG's biggest single target hit is Combo'd Full thrust(300potency) + disembowel debuff(10%) + Blood for Blood(30%).
    That's about equivalent to a 420 potency attack.

    Compare that to Flare (260potency) + Astral Fire 3 (~80%) + Raging Strikes (20%) + [Battle Voice] Foe Requiem (~30%).
    With buffs accounted for it works out to something close to a 600 potency attack.
    Then on top of that you could get a Thunder3 proc that equates to about a 500 potency attack, and then turn around and Convert + Swiftcast Flare again for another 600 potency.

    DRG and MRD can't touch that with a 10ft pole.
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    Last edited by Bardo; 10-31-2013 at 04:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Unfortunately, neither Power Surge or Foe Requiem work with Dragonfire Dive.
    Just like WindBite/Venomous Bite/Flaming Arrow, the tooltips seem to say they apply as elemental damage, but they are really physical damage.
    Easily tested in Coil Turn4 against Knights/Soldiers.

    DRG's biggest single target hit is Combo'd Full thrust(300potency) + disembowel debuff(10%) + Blood for Blood(30%).
    That's about equivalent to a 420 potency attack.

    Compare that to Flare (260potency) + Astral Fire 3 (~80%) + Raging Strikes (20%) + [Battle Voice] Foe Requiem (~30%).
    With buffs accounted for it works out to something close to a 600 potency attack.
    Then on top of that you could get a Thunder3 proc that equates to about a 500 potency attack, and then turn around and Convert + Swiftcast Flare again for another 600 potency.

    DRG and MRD can't touch that with a 10ft pole.
    and yet, if any other dps class says that blm is overpowered they will get bitched at
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    Alexya Ultor
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06 View Post
    and yet, if any other dps class says that blm is overpowered they will get bitched at
    Single large hits when CD's are popped, debuffs are up, and the stars align don't make a class overpowered. The BLM still has to sit still to cast that. I don't know how many times I've seen my friend hit Raging Strikes on Titan's Heart phase and immediately get Gaol'd. Then he's broken out and has to dodge plumes. This is followed by ~5s of time to actually cast something, before he's Gaol'd again (because RNG is a harsh, angry god, who hates him).

    Meanwhile, the BRD has been dealing full damage the entire time. Sure, none of it is ZOMGSHOWMEYOURCRITZ big, but it's sure a helluva lot more than the Gaol'd BLM who spends more time dodging AoE throughout the fight than he does actually casting spells.

    More on topic, I've had Inner Beast crit for over 800 (got a ~2700ish heal from it once), and that's the single highest potency attack a WAR has. I imagine a MRD running Blood for Blood and Raging strikes with Berserk up could land a really mean Butcher's Block on a Storm's Eye-debuffed target. Assuming you have the Allagan Gaxe I'd say breaking 1200 at least would be doable, considering I've topped 900 with BB as my WAR using just Berserk with relic.
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    Chachasamu Cocosamu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quor View Post
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    that is just not true. last letter from the producers they mentioned how they were aware that melee dps was suffering because they had to dodge too many aoes and could not do their rotations properly. and if a mage is able to hit for 2700, and i believe that is from an aoe attack...say it hits 4 mobs. that would be over 10k of damage off of only one cast. that is just outrages. my dragon would take an eternity to deal that much damage.
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    Seyon Masters
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06 View Post
    that is just not true. last letter from the producers they mentioned how they were aware that melee dps was suffering because they had to dodge too many aoes and could not do their rotations properly. and if a mage is able to hit for 2700, and i believe that is from an aoe attack...say it hits 4 mobs. that would be over 10k of damage off of only one cast. that is just outrages. my dragon would take an eternity to deal that much damage.
    2700 is with a crit, it isnt probable that it would crit on all 4. shy of swiftcast this is also with a 4 second cast spell that consumes 100% of the mages mana (given, they have means to get it back). no doubt, black mages AoE is much better than a dragoons (given dragoons AoE isnt shabby at all for the first 10-15 seconds)

    also: monks are arguably top single target dps in the game on a melee friendly fight. i was joking (mostly).
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    Onywen Fraelia
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06 View Post
    that is just not true. last letter from the producers they mentioned how they were aware that melee dps was suffering because they had to dodge too many aoes and could not do their rotations properly. and if a mage is able to hit for 2700, and i believe that is from an aoe attack...say it hits 4 mobs. that would be over 10k of damage off of only one cast. that is just outrages. my dragon would take an eternity to deal that much damage.
    Are you actually complaining about a 4 sec cast which drains all your mana and screws up your entire rotation. Lmao, no words.

    Say I hit for 2k every 10 sec, but you're hitting 500 every 1 sec, does that make me OP and you balanced? People see big hits and automatically think it means you're OP. BLM have to hardcast to deal decent damage, and in this game there is a lot of movement. That's why BLMs are perfectly balanced. I love people jumping into random discussion complaining about their own class and then indirectly asking for nerfs for other classes.

    If you wanted to do AoE, you shouldn't have a rolled a dragoon. Simple as that.
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    Last edited by Imoye; 10-31-2013 at 02:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imoye View Post
    Are you actually complaining about a 4 sec cast which drains all your mana and screws up your entire rotation. Lmao, no words.

    Say I hit for 2k every 10 sec, but you're hitting 500 every 1 sec, does that make me OP and you balanced? People see big hits and automatically think it means you're OP. BLM have to hardcast to deal decent damage, and in this game there is a lot of movement. That's why BLMs are perfectly balanced. I love people jumping into random discussion complaining about their own class and then indirectly asking for nerfs for other classes.

    If you wanted to do AoE, you shouldn't have a rolled a dragoon. Simple as that.
    have you even played as a dragoon? saying that a blm hits 2k per 10 seconds is realistic. and that number miltiplies when you count AoE. Any dragoon, even the best geared ones, have NEVER done 500 damage per one second. for a dragoon to deal 2k damage, even with all his buffs, it would take way more than ten seconds.
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    Alenore Llohen
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06 View Post
    have you even played as a dragoon? saying that a blm hits 2k per 10 seconds is realistic. and that number miltiplies when you count AoE. Any dragoon, even the best geared ones, have NEVER done 500 damage per one second. for a dragoon to deal 2k damage, even with all his buffs, it would take way more than ten seconds.
    If I consider nothing crits :
    Jump w/ PS 700, True thrust 350, Vorpal thrust 500, Full thrust 700, under BfB, HT and target under Disembowel.

    Add to this : Dragonfire Dive, LS for a crit (1k1) on FT or Jump, Leg Sweep AND the dots ticking at least 3 times.


    the day that my dragoon can help complete AK in 10 minutes that is the day i will say dps is balanced...
    You're comparing the job with the best AOEs, buffed by BRD, killing a shitload of monsters against... A class made for single target.
    DPS might not be balanced, but this is not what DPS is.

    You can do much more than 2k in 2 seconds.
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    Player Reiterpallasch's Avatar
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    Arya Stark
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    Leviathan
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    Leatherworker Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06 View Post
    for a dragoon to deal 2k damage, even with all his buffs, it would take way more than ten seconds.
    That's only 200 dps required, which is low for a decently geared lvl 50 that excels at single target.
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