The Ultimate Black Mage Resources with Damage Calculator

[Xenitan]

That's including the proc from the 5th Fire, and unless you wait for it you'll be in the umbral phase when you use it, and it will hurt you more than help you.

Then which "Fire Cycle" are you counting the proc from the fifth fire in? The one where the proc is used or the one where the proc happens?

[Aikaal]

Thank you finally someone who understands what i was trying to say, lol
And to the person who commented about maybe against a "scrub" melee, well no offence but if you could only do more damage then a scrub melee you really need to learn to be a better blm

BLMs will never hit 630 DPS in T11 with no echo. Melees can. The highest I've heard a BLM doing was 570-580. I love this job to death but get real seriously.

Also, AoE king means nothing in progression. You do know AoE burst do death all adds in 110 gear in T12. You'll die. You do not burst AoE in T10 in 110 because you LB and it's safer to kill the Daughter first. You do not burst gusts adds in T13 in 110 gear because you want Monk to keep GL and Storm Path on Bahamut asap.

You can in 130 gear~

[surja_kable]

I'm having trouble downloading the calculator so I can input my numbers into it. It says to "Go to file > Download as > MS Excel" but I do not see that option on any of the 3 browsers I've tried to download it from. I've tried Chrome, Fire Fox, and IE.

[Sleigh]

The adjustments for fire weaving and using fire IV from here aren't too bad. I think people will be disappointed in what the numbers actually say though.

What do you mean by this?

[StouterTaru]

Then which "Fire Cycle" are you counting the proc from the fifth fire in? The one where the proc is used or the one where the proc happens?

I don't count in any fire cycle, because it's at best damage neutral, and more likely a damage loss.

If you are casting it coming out of the UI phase, it's just an insta-cast of a Fire III you would already be casting, meaning a longer wait before getting back into the AF phase. Even with a transpose before it's not a boost to your damage vs the proc never existing.

[Ransu]

Did they ever change firestarter to proc on cast or does it still proc on damage?

[nugglets]

A somewhat unexpected change that could impact our rotation in 3.0+ just came up in the SS buff to DoT damage. With most BLM's already stacking SS, I would expect this to have a pretty serious change in Thunder damage... which could mean that 100% Thunder uptime would be something to consider for the first time, instead of using it to basically just hope for procs. We'll have to wait and see what the SS increase actually does, but if it's meant to buff SMN in any significant way we should be seeing the benefits of that as well.

[Sleigh]

A somewhat unexpected change that could impact our rotation in 3.0+ just came up in the SS buff to DoT damage. With most BLM's already stacking SS, I would expect this to have a pretty serious change in Thunder damage... which could mean that 100% Thunder uptime would be something to consider for the first time, instead of using it to basically just hope for procs. We'll have to wait and see what the SS increase actually does, but if it's meant to buff SMN in any significant way we should be seeing the benefits of that as well.

This is a good point. It'd "only" have to increase 10% to be almost exactly worth a F3, and anything more would make Thunderstarter do more base damage than Firestarter.

340 base + 60 potency frontloaded on Thundercloud T3. Would require 372 + 60 to meet the 432 potency on F3.

Gonna hope stacking SS in such quantities as we will, will lead to a 10% or more increase. Otherwise the SMNs will still complain pretty bad about SS on any of their gear.

[Skeith-Adeline]

That should mean that Thunder applied in Ley Lines would be buffed quite a bit yes? Looks like using Sharp Cast on pre-pull thunder will be most wise.

Edit: and if that is really the case, WHMs with Presence of Mind, using Aero 3 will be ridiculously powerful lol

[alphamax112]

Except their Aero 3 missed =P