MVP Voting

[JeniLinsky]

One of the MMOs I played in the past showed a grid at the end of each instance, which had statistics on it showing how much damage out everyone did, how much damage they took, how much healing they did, and how much healing they absorbed. It was an interesting statistical block, and allowed me to gauge how I was doing in my profession.

[Liniont]

I'm really worried about this system getting abused by unsavory players. example a player downvotes everyone in the group even if they cleared the instance successfully... This could go very badly if this MVP systems matches people based on their ranking as a good player or bad player. Are there counter measures in place if a person disputes their terrible reputation based on internet trolls?

[Sephirah]

There is absolutely no way to abuse this... you can't downvote anyone, the most you can do is NOT vote for ANYONE. The way I understand it, it is not a ranking system when you vote yay or nay on everyone in the group.

It will be like this:

BOSS KILL:

Who do you think is MVP? Select 1.
Player 1
Player 2
Player 3
Player 4

Pick 1 of them, or none, friends are excluded, whoever has the most wins, how can you possibly abuse that, considering it ONLY works with random people?

Said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason anyone doesn't want this system in place is because they're afraid they won't be voted MVP, and they'd rather nobody be able to be voted MvP than not be picked. Even though, they are not getting anything less than they are right now, the thought of someone else getting more is absolutely insane, right? Wrong. Be a better player, encourage your teammates when you wipe, say, it's ok that was a good attempt, and continue on. Will these votes go to mostly tanks an healers? Probably, but that's because they have the most important roles in the party, but speaking as a tank, I can't vote for myself, and if the healer isn't great, I'll vote for the nice/entertaining DPS.

[amnie]

that means we can't downvote ppl who are being a jerk and ruined the run... such as just opening the specific chest and leave the DF right after.

except you CAN'T downvote












and really? going by 'contribution'? that would only work if you had a list of 'avoided all aoe' and 'knew when they had to sleep/root/interrupt' and 'died twice because someone else didn't interrupt' and things like that. which is veeeery unlikely.

I'm already annoyed by MVP voting based on stats in games that have that for their PVP matches, most noticably in SWTOR where I see plenty of Sages/Sorcerer getting 'blind vote' based on their healing numbers when they were standing off to the side the entire run using noble sacrifice (to those not in the know, the class has a skill that 'sacrifices' a part of their own health, so they can basically spamheal and actually heal someone... themselves. not only is this a means to get them higher healing numbers, it also is an actual threat to a win since a stealth class often uses this as a chance to just kill them when they are low in health)
and don't even let me get started on how it doesn't take into account the people who successfully guard/unlock a bomb/door/turret, stunned people at the right time, knew where to place themselves for a good pass in huttball, or put out their burst dmg right at the time for a 'smash monkey' marauder/sentinel to show up (which means the smash monkey gets 3 killing blows at once and the burster gets 'only' the dmg)
long story short: MVP voting based on stats makes people turn a blind eye on ACTUAL contribution (well-explained fights, general friendly player, actually knowing the purpose of their job and so on)

[DoctorMog]

Anyone thinking healers and tanks are the only people that will get votes,

are welcome to level and que as tank/healer.

Thereby fixing the "not enough healers/tanks" issue in one fell swoop.

[Yrusama]

I am all for this system. It encourages players to enter duty finder alone and behave well enough to earn the party's respect. Will it guarantee good behavior? No, but it does give incentive.

[Rowan_Moonkeeper]

It is shocking to SE how imautre this new English community behaves as well. Old FF11 English community was much nicer.

Indeed they were.

[ShinigamiB06]

In an effort to address some of your concerns we confirmed some information with the UI team we'll share with you all here:

The MVP vote takes place specifically after a dungeon boss is defeated. The process is entirely voluntary and players can choose not to make any vote at all. It is with this design in mind that we hope players only use the MVP system to reward helpful and exceptional players and encourage users to work towards that goal to receive a vote.

Hvinire, did you guys think this through? I could very easily not cast a vote for any players, and thus increase the odds of getting the reward myself. A very simple solution for this would be that any players that dont cast a vote are not eligible to be selected as an MVP.

...then again, if a player becomes ineligible what happens to the votes he might have recieved? would the players just revote? *sigh* hopefully you guys thought about all these different scenarios.

[amnie]

Hvinire, did you guys think this through? I could very easily not cast a vote for any players, and thus increase the odds of getting the reward myself. A very simple solution for this would be that any players that dont cast a vote are not eligible to be selected as an MVP.

...then again, if a player becomes ineligible what happens to the votes he might have recieved? would the players just revote? *sigh* hopefully you guys thought about all these different scenarios.

eh. which award exactly? you voting for other players had nothing to do with them voting for you. it's not an 'either or'. everyone can possibily get an mvp vote, there is no indicator for only one person being the mvp. it's a personal choice, not a group choice (otherwise it would be silly not being able to vote for friends you queued with, since that can potentially mean a 3-person-group can only vote for the one random person, automatically making them 'the one')

[Sephirah]

eh. which award exactly? you voting for other players had nothing to do with them voting for you. it's not an 'either or'. everyone can possibily get an mvp vote, there is no indicator for only one person being the mvp. it's a personal choice, not a group choice (otherwise it would be silly not being able to vote for friends you queued with, since that can potentially mean a 3-person-group can only vote for the one random person, automatically making them 'the one')

That's exactly how it will work. If everyone in the party votes for someone else and everyone gets 1 vote, there is no MVP. And yes, if you queue up with 2 friends, your only option is to vote for that one person, or not vote at all. The ONLY thing this system is in place for is to encourage "good" play with strangers to improve the quality of runs with people you don't know.

But you're correct, not voting does not increase the chances of you getting MVP, for anyone to get MVP, they would need at least 2 votes, if 2 out of the 3 people don't vote for you, you voting, or not voting, will not change the fact you won't win that time.