MVP Voting

[Liniont]

I'm really worried about this system getting abused by unsavory players. example a player downvotes everyone in the group even if they cleared the instance successfully... This could go very badly if this MVP systems matches people based on their ranking as a good player or bad player. Are there counter measures in place if a person disputes their terrible reputation based on internet trolls?

[Sephirah]

There is absolutely no way to abuse this... you can't downvote anyone, the most you can do is NOT vote for ANYONE. The way I understand it, it is not a ranking system when you vote yay or nay on everyone in the group.

It will be like this:

BOSS KILL:

Who do you think is MVP? Select 1.
Player 1
Player 2
Player 3
Player 4

Pick 1 of them, or none, friends are excluded, whoever has the most wins, how can you possibly abuse that, considering it ONLY works with random people?

Said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason anyone doesn't want this system in place is because they're afraid they won't be voted MVP, and they'd rather nobody be able to be voted MvP than not be picked. Even though, they are not getting anything less than they are right now, the thought of someone else getting more is absolutely insane, right? Wrong. Be a better player, encourage your teammates when you wipe, say, it's ok that was a good attempt, and continue on. Will these votes go to mostly tanks an healers? Probably, but that's because they have the most important roles in the party, but speaking as a tank, I can't vote for myself, and if the healer isn't great, I'll vote for the nice/entertaining DPS.

[DoctorMog]

Anyone thinking healers and tanks are the only people that will get votes,

are welcome to level and que as tank/healer.

Thereby fixing the "not enough healers/tanks" issue in one fell swoop.

[Yrusama]

I am all for this system. It encourages players to enter duty finder alone and behave well enough to earn the party's respect. Will it guarantee good behavior? No, but it does give incentive.

[Gardes]

All these fear of never getting the MVP is hilarious. What it boils down to is basically people having the mindset of 'if i cant win, everybody should lose' in my eyes. Thinking most VALUABLE person system will also include most USELESS person voting is also hilarious.

Maybe we should put ally/betray system from virtue's last reward for DF. At the end of the dungeon, everyone is forced to vote between ally or betray.
If everyone in the party votes ally, their tomes get doubled.
If someone votes betray, that player's tomes will get tripled while the rest who picked ally gets their tome reward halved.
If everyone votes betray, they get 0 tomes.

That'll be fun, don't you think?

[Saevel]

Maybe we should put ally/betray system from virtue's last reward for DF. At the end of the dungeon, everyone is forced to vote between ally or betray.
If everyone in the party votes ally, their tomes get doubled.
If someone votes betray, that player's tomes will get tripled while the rest who picked ally gets their tome reward halved.
If everyone votes betray, they get 0 tomes.

A multiplayer Prisoner's Dilemma... That would be fun indeed.

[Rochetm]

A multiplayer Prisoner's Dilemma... That would be fun indeed.

In a game full of trolls... Everyone would get 0 most of the time.

[Saevel]

In a game full of trolls... Everyone would get 0 most of the time.

In reality, people tend to be more cooperative than not, but we won't go into the sociology of the game and that type of reward system really has no place in Final Fantasy. It's still an interesting premise, even if it has no bearing on the MVP system.

I still contend that the positives of MVP outweigh any perceived negatives. Even completely unutilized, it's no less than what we have now.

[Steeled]

You just can't quantify good performance and good attitude.

I pug WPs, I really just don't care. First thing I do is check my healer's and dps gear when I enter. If the healer's gear looks new, or the dps look new (unless one is a smn/brd or healer looks like a decent sch), I just can't see a benefit to chainpulling, so I don't. I never do a pull by itself, because I do recognize limited aoe of other jobs, and of Paladin (Circle of scorn, lol), but I just don't feel the need to push in a group that doesn't aoe well or has poor gear.

I'm doing the group a favor, honestly. Oh my god, the run took 8 minutes longer, but we didn't wipe, I didn't stress anyone, the healer didn't oom because the group couldn't kill fast enough.

I've been thanked for this attitude and I've been cussed out for it, but I'm the tank and the speed of the instance is my perogative.

The attitude of players in thsi game is very funny. As the tank, there are two legitimate reasons to complain at me: I'm legitimately losing hate or I'm unable to dodge specials. Complain because you don't like my pull speed (which again, is usually a courtesy for someone else in the group, and on one occasion, the person complaining--a white weapon drg) or because I only ever bother to mark <1> (and I move 1 throughout the battle so dps know what to kill next).

I just don't know.