MVP Voting

[Sephirah]

The key point is that you cannot quantify good play beyond success, and you cannot use a program to really detect where the failure was.

Things are lost in the heat of battle. First boss of AK is easy, but I prefer DPS that let the rock adds get to me before they kill them, but some think it's cute to stun it {Over There} and kill it before it gets to me. Later in the fight when you're dealing with big red, rock adds take just a second longer to pick up if i couldn't drop the pile of rubble where I wanted.

(Now I'm fond of just tanking the rock adds too, and not killing them, but this is an example.)

Did the Paladin really fail at stunning Ifrit or has someone in the alliance got their stun in their rotation? You can check the log to see, but we all know how painful these logs are to navigate.

Well, you should be picking up the rock adds on the first boss in AK regardless of what your DPS are doing (skip to 11 min of the video in my sig to watch how I do it), and if someone else is using a stun on Ifrit, you have ample time to call that out, and tell them to stop. If they don't you can pretty much guarantee a wipe, if they do, it will be very apparent it wasn't the PLD's fault.

[Steeled]

Let me explain..

Rock add pops, I lob it, and bring it behind the pole, usually. Sometimes some tard wants to stun it and try to kill it right there. There's really nothing I can do about that. I can't help them dps, that solves no problem. I can't get it to me because it's stunned and they're silly. I provoke and lob, and it starts to head towards me and dies.

But see, you highlighted the problem with trying to quantify good play. I'm doing my job, i'm picking up the add and bringing it where I want it, a dps screws that up, and even though we're both gladiators (so I'm sure you've run into this), you declare that it's my responsibility to cover their mistake. Suppose that the second spawn of that same add comes in, while big red is up, does his red line attack and gibs the healer. Who does the group auto-blame? Me, even though the problem is because a dps lacks sense.

Again, this is just examples, I realize how trivial the fight is.

[Sephirah]

Let me explain..

Rock add pops, I lob it, and bring it behind the pole, usually. Sometimes some tard wants to stun it and try to kill it right there. There's really nothing I can do about that.

Watch this: (link is set to start at 12 min) http://youtu.be/gGJPq1qmtrk?t=12m

[Steeled]

Dude, I don't need a tutorial on the fight. I used rather outdated (because most groups way outgear AK now) examples to try to illustrate a flaw.

[Sephirah]

Dude, I don't need a tutorial on the fight. I used rather outdated (because most groups way outgear AK now) examples to try to illustrate a flaw.

But it's not a flaw, if you are being an AWESOME tank, it doesn't matter what your DPS is doing, you'll cover for their mistakes, and thus, likely increase your chances of being MVP. People know when they mess up, they might deny it, or play stupid, but they do. If the DPS goes the whole run and goes, huh, I usually pull aggro of tanks, this one held it, he is pretty good.

On the other hand, if you just ignore it, and say something like "if you dont want aggro watch your threat noob" then the chances of you getting MVP are less. It's a system based on the OPINION of the player, you COULD be a terrible player and still get MvP simply by being extremely charismatic and making the entire party like you.

And I still think you should watch that video, considering you think there is nothing you can do about the adds other than throwing your shield once.

[Steeled]

And I still think you should watch that video, considering you think there is nothing you can do about the adds other than throwing your shield once.

I'm done arguing. The point of DF is not to carry retarded people but assist people with learning if they need it.

However, that's not at all what I said, but the most effective thing to do is lob the add and let it come to you. If you are killing the adds, it makes no difference to the dps whether they're dpsing the boss for 2 seconds while the add moves.

[Sephirah]

I'm done arguing. The point of DF is not to carry retarded people but assist people with learning if they need it.

However, that's not at all what I said, but the most effective thing to do is lob the add and let it come to you. If you are killing the adds, it makes no difference to the dps whether they're dpsing the boss for 2 seconds while the add moves.

And that's your choice, you can continue to think any dps that pull off you are "retarded"(even if they are) and I'll be making sure I'm holding aggro despite their learning disability, and enjoy my MvP rewards by being a better tank.

The point of the DF isn't to assist people in learning, it's there to assist people get into dungeons, their skill is irrelevant. And this system is designed to promote good play between strangers, regardless of their skill level.

And just assuming you haven't watched the video, the most effective way to pick up those rock adds is to use circle of scrorn/flash and attack them. You don't have to stand in 1 spot the entire fight.

[Steeled]

And just assuming you haven't watched the video, the most effective way to pick up those rock adds is to use circle of scrorn/flash and attack them. You don't have to stand in 1 spot the entire fight.

And that's what I do for the second type, and any respawns. Imo, running to the first one, scorning and flashing encourages people to kill the add before I get it where I like to tank the boss. The second add starts near where I like to tank the boss so it's a non issue.

By killing it where I like to tank the boss it makes respawn pickup easier....if I was still bothering to kill the adds lol.

[Ronzeru]

No offense... but damn you guys are assholes. I'm not sure if any of you realized this.... but I think... and i'm going out on a limb here... but I just 'think' that they created this system with the japanese playerbase in mind, knowing they have more of a 'team based' mentality.... So instead of everyone thinking, 'Oh, i'll try to stand out by being helpful and playing good to get mvp, and i'll vote for who else does the same if they play good and have a good personality to me', most of you are thinking up every single thing you can that's negative under the sun and completely self serving... I mean... I get it... I really do... but god damn guys. I want you all to read over your own posts and look at how you're honestly being dicks about this.

[Bethor]

No offense... but damn you guys are assholes. I'm not sure if any of you realized this.... but I think... and i'm going out on a limb here... but I just 'think' that they created this system with the japanese playerbase in mind, knowing they have more of a 'team based' mentality.... So instead of everyone thinking, 'Oh, i'll try to stand out by being helpful and playing good to get mvp, and i'll vote for who else does the same if they play good and have a good personality to me', most of you are thinking up every single thing you can that's negative under the sun and completely self serving... I mean... I get it... I really do... but god damn guys. I want you all to read over your own posts and look at how you're honestly being dicks about this.

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