MVP Voting

[Steeled]

The key point is that you cannot quantify good play beyond success, and you cannot use a program to really detect where the failure was.

Things are lost in the heat of battle. First boss of AK is easy, but I prefer DPS that let the rock adds get to me before they kill them, but some think it's cute to stun it {Over There} and kill it before it gets to me. Later in the fight when you're dealing with big red, rock adds take just a second longer to pick up if i couldn't drop the pile of rubble where I wanted.

(Now I'm fond of just tanking the rock adds too, and not killing them, but this is an example.)

Did the Paladin really fail at stunning Ifrit or has someone in the alliance got their stun in their rotation? You can check the log to see, but we all know how painful these logs are to navigate.

MVP has good intentions but it's an awful and exploitable system, especially this "no vote" notion.

Want more tanks to queue for randoms? Give them a reward for it, not necessarily tomes. Same for healers. DPS aren't as left out in the cold as they try to imply. Anyone can roll a tank and participate. If enough people do then dps becomes the prized role (lol, probably not).

[Musashidon]

honestly i hope you're right cause i do wanna see this a success i just don't see it working out, but i guess we will see and pray for the best.

[Sephirah]

The key point is that you cannot quantify good play beyond success, and you cannot use a program to really detect where the failure was.

Things are lost in the heat of battle. First boss of AK is easy, but I prefer DPS that let the rock adds get to me before they kill them, but some think it's cute to stun it {Over There} and kill it before it gets to me. Later in the fight when you're dealing with big red, rock adds take just a second longer to pick up if i couldn't drop the pile of rubble where I wanted.

(Now I'm fond of just tanking the rock adds too, and not killing them, but this is an example.)

Did the Paladin really fail at stunning Ifrit or has someone in the alliance got their stun in their rotation? You can check the log to see, but we all know how painful these logs are to navigate.

Well, you should be picking up the rock adds on the first boss in AK regardless of what your DPS are doing (skip to 11 min of the video in my sig to watch how I do it), and if someone else is using a stun on Ifrit, you have ample time to call that out, and tell them to stop. If they don't you can pretty much guarantee a wipe, if they do, it will be very apparent it wasn't the PLD's fault.

[Steeled]

Let me explain..

Rock add pops, I lob it, and bring it behind the pole, usually. Sometimes some tard wants to stun it and try to kill it right there. There's really nothing I can do about that. I can't help them dps, that solves no problem. I can't get it to me because it's stunned and they're silly. I provoke and lob, and it starts to head towards me and dies.

But see, you highlighted the problem with trying to quantify good play. I'm doing my job, i'm picking up the add and bringing it where I want it, a dps screws that up, and even though we're both gladiators (so I'm sure you've run into this), you declare that it's my responsibility to cover their mistake. Suppose that the second spawn of that same add comes in, while big red is up, does his red line attack and gibs the healer. Who does the group auto-blame? Me, even though the problem is because a dps lacks sense.

Again, this is just examples, I realize how trivial the fight is.

[Sephirah]

Let me explain..

Rock add pops, I lob it, and bring it behind the pole, usually. Sometimes some tard wants to stun it and try to kill it right there. There's really nothing I can do about that.

Watch this: (link is set to start at 12 min) http://youtu.be/gGJPq1qmtrk?t=12m

[Lunavi]

if ur trying to become MVP as a DPS good luck lol. Never will happen.

Why? I do not see why a DPS can not get that. A good DPS does ALOT for the party more than just dealing damage. A good DPS controls the battle and makes it far easier for everyone else.

[Steeled]

Dude, I don't need a tutorial on the fight. I used rather outdated (because most groups way outgear AK now) examples to try to illustrate a flaw.

[Sephirah]

Dude, I don't need a tutorial on the fight. I used rather outdated (because most groups way outgear AK now) examples to try to illustrate a flaw.

But it's not a flaw, if you are being an AWESOME tank, it doesn't matter what your DPS is doing, you'll cover for their mistakes, and thus, likely increase your chances of being MVP. People know when they mess up, they might deny it, or play stupid, but they do. If the DPS goes the whole run and goes, huh, I usually pull aggro of tanks, this one held it, he is pretty good.

On the other hand, if you just ignore it, and say something like "if you dont want aggro watch your threat noob" then the chances of you getting MVP are less. It's a system based on the OPINION of the player, you COULD be a terrible player and still get MvP simply by being extremely charismatic and making the entire party like you.

And I still think you should watch that video, considering you think there is nothing you can do about the adds other than throwing your shield once.

[Gardes]

I could be wrong, but I thought they said in the past that votes would be anonymous. You wouldn't even find out how many votes you got till the end of the week when you saw a tally.

And? I never said anything about waiting to see who voted you. I said people would wait to see if they get voted or not. It's like running wp and running to the portal as soon as boss is dead without opening chest and rolling on the loot because you dont care.

[Steeled]

And I still think you should watch that video, considering you think there is nothing you can do about the adds other than throwing your shield once.

I'm done arguing. The point of DF is not to carry retarded people but assist people with learning if they need it.

However, that's not at all what I said, but the most effective thing to do is lob the add and let it come to you. If you are killing the adds, it makes no difference to the dps whether they're dpsing the boss for 2 seconds while the add moves.