Market Wards, enough is enough

[Hiemdall]

AH would make me return to the game. The lack of AH is keeping me away.

Then stay away

We dont need an AH, and the current Market Wards are a bit unstable but remember this game is in heavy development. This is a BETA people, not a finished product so don't expect it as such. I much prefer a decentralized system. It allows for a more dynamic economy. For example, in some regions mats are more easily obtained therefore they would (theoretically) cost less in areas where they are in abundance and more in areas they are not. This does not work right now because of teleportation, but once that is gone it will.

When the Ala Mhigo zone is released there will be mats attained from there that cannot be found in Gridania so they have to be taken there. See a more dynamic system. Not a magical AH where everything is linked together....and yes I know in XI they were not all linked.

[Dizmo]

Then stay away

Okay, enjoy your failed game.

We dont need an AH, and the current Market Wards are a bit unstable but remember this game is in heavy development. This is a BETA people, not a finished product so don't expect it as such.

No, this is a failed game whose failure was caused by hairbrained development.

Anyone who is saying they would prefer:

1) Look up item in list to buy
2) See what ward you need to go to
3) Spend time warping to ward
4) Spend time looking for retainer in a sea of other retainers to buy item
5) Buy item

instead of:

1) Look up item in list to buy
2) Buy item

is absolutely crazy. I cannot believe people are saying they should make the wards even bigger. Do they honestly want to search through a laggy sea of hundreds of retainers every time they want to buy EVERY SINGLE ITEM?? Ugh.

Similarly, instead of:

1) Look up item in list
2) Check current going rate
3) List item

I cannot believe some people prefer

1) Look up item in list
2) Check current going rate
3) Try and work out which ward to sell in for best returns
4) Spend time warping to ward
5) Spend time summoning retainer
6) Spend time opening retainer menu
7) Spend time transferring items to retainer
8) Spend time putting item up to sell



I just don't know why people who support this exist.

[ShinChuck]

When the Ala Mhigo zone is released there will be mats attained from there that cannot be found in Gridania so they have to be taken there. See a more dynamic system. Not a magical AH where everything is linked together....and yes I know in XI they were not all linked.

How is that an argument for the wards when you said right there it's about delinking marketplaces, and could be done with an AH? That's not an argument for the wards, it's an argument for separating the marketplaces, which is a separate issue entirely.

[Dizmo]

Any system that requires you to look up your item in a list, go to the appropriate ward, look for the retainer then finally buy the item is broken. What were they thinking?

Once you find your item in the list, you should be able to buy it there.

It's no better than having a million menus come up before you can craft an item.

[Black_Rose]

isn't this more of a server side problem?
i mean blaming the wards is the easiest way to find an excuse to implement an AH, but what if the AH crashed due to a server problem and your items would be gone for good?

let's first let them fix this crapy server issues before blaming it on anything else.

[MeowyWowie]

isn't this more of a server side problem?
i mean blaming the wards is the easiest way to find an excuse to implement an AH, but what if the AH crashed due to a server problem and your items would be gone for good?

let's first let them fix this crapy server issues before blaming it on anything else.

That's the whole point. This is a server side issue. And 7 months is plenty of time to fix server instability. I know Yoshi's team has only been on the game for about 4 months, but even that much time should be more than enough. At some point we just have to say it, enough is enough.

[Slug]

isn't this more of a server side problem?
i mean blaming the wards is the easiest way to find an excuse to implement an AH, but what if the AH crashed due to a server problem and your items would be gone for good?

let's first let them fix this crapy server issues before blaming it on anything else.

Even if the server is tweaked to make the wards stable, it's a brutal system. As a buyer, it horribly inconvenient to have to search the menus for what you wish to buy, guess based on the price if its NQ or HQ1/3 , hunt down the retainer(s) (especially if you're looking for an HQ) ... and as a seller, its quite annoying to have to run a similar hunt to get a feel for appropriate pricing, and having your prices openly displayed promotes undercutting. Something that should take 5 minutes can take upwards of an hour. Those that defend this system .. I just dont get it.

[Sorel]

Even if the server is tweaked to make the wards stable, it's a brutal system. As a buyer, it horribly inconvenient to have to search the menus for what you wish to buy, guess based on the price if its NQ or HQ1/3 , hunt down the retainer(s) (especially if you're looking for an HQ) ... and as a seller, its quite annoying to have to run a similar hunt to get a feel for appropriate pricing, and having your prices openly displayed promotes undercutting. Something that should take 5 minutes can take upwards of an hour. Those that defend this system .. I just dont get it.

To be fair, I do not think anyone is defending any of the issues listed above.

[Cairdeas]

Even if the server is tweaked to make the wards stable, it's a brutal system. As a buyer, it horribly inconvenient to have to search the menus for what you wish to buy, guess based on the price if its NQ or HQ1/3 , hunt down the retainer(s) (especially if you're looking for an HQ) ... and as a seller, its quite annoying to have to run a similar hunt to get a feel for appropriate pricing, and having your prices openly displayed promotes undercutting. Something that should take 5 minutes can take upwards of an hour. Those that defend this system .. I just dont get it.

Undercutting will happen in all economies its a natural part of economics. You shouldn't be designing a system to prevent undercutting you should be promoting it. It counters Inflation at a level.

If your just being greedy and upset that you can't sell an item you have been the only maker of for a month because someone came along and can make it all of a sudden and make it cheaper thats not their fault its yours for being greedy.

[Shikyo]

isn't this more of a server side problem?
i mean blaming the wards is the easiest way to find an excuse to implement an AH, but what if the AH crashed due to a server problem and your items would be gone for good?

let's first let them fix this crapy server issues before blaming it on anything else.

Ah is a better system all out man i hope they realize this soon retainer wards crashing isnt the only problem with this system...

You should be able to find what u want and buy it on the spot, not find the item zone until u look through each retainer see who has nq or hq because its not shown on the list, then buy.... Its like we have taken a step backwards and they called it innovation?.... how could anyone not see this.

Then you have the blind loyalist that are like brainwashed by the word new and w/e SE pulls out they are greased up and ready to take with a smile, but new isnt always better, man sheesh.
If new means you have to jump through extra freakin loops to get the same results as old f that i rather have the old way damn...
If you feel me hit the thumb, something tells me i'm not just crazy and the only one that see's this.
Loyalist dont bother i have enough on ignor list... just open your eyes O.O