Arcanist vs SMN (dps wise)

[glim]

I'm just curious if anyone has done the math whether ACN is a better single target dps than SMN, using allagan book of course since ACN can't use relic.

you lose 20 int when removing the summoner soulstone.

what else do you lose dps wise? fester, rouse, enkindle.

fester could be replaced with energy drain, so it really isn't 300 potency total loss.

what do you gain when using ACN. internal release, blood for blood, and aero.

aero alone makes up for fester's 150 potency loss.

so the real question is, which is better.

20 int, spur, enkindle VS internal release and blood for blood.

blood for blood is a 7.5% damage increase (averaged).

internal release is 6% crit increase (averaged).

are those enough to beat 20 int at least?

enkindle is 2 dps single target. (with rouse and spur, much less without, I say 2 instead of 3 because your garuda spends a windblade cooldown when casting it)

I'm guessing spur too is just another low dps, since it too is on a high cd.

EDIT: (also btw, on ARC BiS, you lose 55 crit total, helm and chest is for SMN only, so you have to settle for allagan pieces) in exchange, you gain 15 determination and 24 spellspeed., 55 crit is 4% crit chance.

other than that, it's still possible to reach caster hit cap on an arcanist.

ADD: people have been asking why is fester equal to aero + energy drain.

fester + ruin is 380 potency

energy drain + aero is 366.6 potency (factored in contagioned aero and the 1 minute mark cause aetherflow and 18 second duration, also the gcd)

14 potency difference.

but then we still haven't factored internal release,bfb,raging strikes on a contagioned dot, we have only factored these temporary buffs for it's duration. so we're seeing more than a 7.5% raw dps increase.

[Kevee]

Most classes will, more than likely, be stronger than jobs assuming full allagan+allagan weapon. That's a pretty steep assumption, though.

Exception is MNK, but if you have a second MNK applying DK then PUG would probably be better. This would mean PUG has 0 AoE, and would TP starve even faster, though(VB).

This is just eyeballing it, but jobs don't REALLY offer much, except for SCH/WHM/PLD, and if tanking then WAR.

[xyaie]

donno about int, but 20 str for a dragoon was 5.5% damage
blood for blood is 20% damage for 20s every 80s, up 1/4th the time, .2*.25= .05 or 5% damage increase. the stone by itself outweighs blood for blood on average

internal release is 20% crit for 15s every 60s, up 1/4th the time, thats .2*.25 again, so 5% chance to do 50% more damage, average of 2.5% damage increase.

im no summoner, but i'd think the pet alone is worth more than 2.5% damage, extending DoT time and all, not to mention fester.

i think youre taking into account traits that you wouldnt have normally in your averages

[glim]

@xyaie

blood for blood is 30% increase

internal release is also 30%

pet is 20-30% damage increase, ACN still has a pet with contagion.

aero + energy drain is equal to fester

I'm not sure if there are any job specific traits.

[pandabearcat]

I would say hands down allagan geared ACN beats SMN.

Mostly because Energy Drain is also potential DPS gain because of mana, Aero is a much, much better spell than Ruin II, and BFB and IR are great cooldowns.

Furthermore, and (not sure if this is even possibly relevant), possibly earth shield is useful...?

Jobs are horribly, horribly designed atm.

Also i can't remember, but can ACN get a filler thats better than ruin? I think the answer is no but I can't remember off the top of my head.

[Viridiana]

Blood for Blood is only 30% for LNC/DRG.

[glim]

Blood for Blood is only 30% for LNC/DRG.

you're right.

I assumed 30 was correct cause of http://xivdb.com/?skilltree/Arcanist

[Viridiana]

Yeah, it's really annoying that the "base" abilities aren't shown anywhere on xivdb. Makes it really annoying to try to theorycraft anything without logging into the game and seeing what the base values are, which isn't always possible.

[pandabearcat]

you're right.

I assumed 30 was correct cause of http://xivdb.com/?skilltree/Arcanist

xivdb will always display the class specific versions that are traited (though oddly, NOT any traits that lower cooldowns...weird).

To see a cross class skill, open it then click the "Main" button to turn it into "Sub", which will show the base cross class'd value.

[glim]

so I guess, all in all it's

7.5% damage increase (bb and ir) vs 20 int, enkindle and spur.