Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Mycow8me]

Personally think the main problem with ffxiv is that level progression and mission quests was and still is just way to fast and easy. You could probably get all disciples of war and magic jobs to 50 over the course of a week or two in this game with some serious grinding. Thing I liked about FFXI pre-abyssea was that there was a social lvling aspect to it and you could hardly get 1 job to 75 with rank 10 yet alone 50 with rank 5 in a weeks time.

That is the simple flaw with this game. Instead of dragging out the actual fun aspects to the game, they dragged out grinding endgame content instead and look whats happened. People quit or whine about it cause they are locked out for the week or have nothing to grind but gil, and all their jobs are 50.

[Doo]

Honest question, wouldn't you prefer to try something new and maybe enjoy than to replay something rehashed?

FFXIV isn't exactly new.

[Vandark]

Threatened? Not at all as I know they are just hot air that will amount to nothing. I don't get mad with silly little posters on the forums You are amusing in your posts with your silly little pictures.

Maybe you should look up the definition of debate, debate is not just people who agree with you, it's both sides.

Yes but your arguments seem to have more to do with me and the simple need to argue rather than discussing the topic.

Direction I want FFXIV ARR to go? I want to go it's own direction, to stand out differently from FFXI and FFXIV 1.fail. I don't want it to have revamped content from previous FF MMOs. I want it to be new, for it to stand apart whilst keeping an overall Final Fantasy flavor, which for me, it does.

Thanks for talking about the subject and not how egotistic you believe I am or how badly you want me to post in the FFXI forums.

I guess you could say this is new for the Final Fantasy series but it's defiantly not new to me, I've played at least 6 other WoW rip off MMO's and they are all the same crap to me, ARR feels/plays no different to me than all the other WoW clones.

Honest question, wouldn't you prefer to try something new and maybe enjoy than to replay something rehashed? Which is point i'm making. Maybe over the coming year some of the content added will be more appealing to you. Final Fantasy FFXIV ARR is a new game that will stand or fall on it's own merits. Forget what happened in FFXI and FFXIV 1.fail. Comparison is irrelevant.

The first FF14 is what you call something new, ARR is what you call rehashed.
So yea I would like to play something new thats why I prefured the first FF14 over what we have now and I've always wanted to see more stuff come from XI since the start but I've never wanted it to be done the exact same way, just similar content would be fun.

In the first FF14 you were able to make your character exactly how you liked, edit your stats at free will, skill up all your weapons learning all the abilities for those classes and combine those skills any way you like to create your own class. You could even change weapons/classes mid combat by disengaging first changing weapons then re engaging the enemy to make use of all your classes.

That was new to me, ARR is not new to me at all.

PS: I'm glad you find my posts amusing who doesn't like funny pictures.

lol you said the word silly.

[Jadmus]

When I obtained my first set of AF in FFXIV, I was really disappointed to notice that a few days later, it was all replaced by a generic looking set I bought from a vendor. After that, it was slowly replaced by gear obtained from Coil.

Agreed! Wearing my AF and completing the main scenario felt so damn epic, and then I didn't even have that set for a whole week before replacing it with Darklight. Now I'm excited about AF+1, but discouraged that Allagan drops will make it all useless. I really wish I had more time to wear these excellent sets of gear that the designers worked so hard on.

[Zeyphr_Darkshadow]

agreed OP
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[BloodPact]

1. Incorporate some kind of 4 and/or 8-person party grind option similar to those found in FFXI as an alternative to FATE and dungeon-grinding

Won't argue here, but I'll never understand why someone would set aside something like running a dungeon for exp for a tank and spank "merit" party like those in XI. I still remember, and hate, those colibri party. Only the puller had some action, and by that i mean, running 5 feet to queue the next mob.

2. Rather than Warcraft-esque "raids" like Binding Coil, why not bring back things like Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage, and Nyzul Isle?

I'm also not a fan of the boss only type of design for Coil. I would have liked a full dungeon as well. Agreed.

3. Bring back BCNM, KSNM, ENM, ZNM, ISNM, etc

These were just introduced this patch. Treasure hunt is basically a BCNM kind of thing but in the open world. Think of maps as XI seals. I'm sure down the line you'll not only see maps from DoL, but also drops from mobs, maybe even rare maps crafted on Alchemist from rare mats.

4. Make gear with lasting power. Adding useful set bonuses like increased radius on Flash or increased duration on Regen when you're wearing full artifact gear would be awesome

Though I'd like this it won't really work in this game. It was cool in XI because of gear swapping. Secondary stats like Crit and Det are good to stack because they affect many abilities. Flash boosts on the other hand, would just affect Flash. No one's going to stack that unless they can swap back to more important subs after (which can't be done in this game.)

5. FFXIV needs a sense of community. It was a huge letdown to obtain all five pieces of artifact gear by myself over the course of 2 five-minute quests

Artifact doesn't have the same weight it had in XI or even XIV 1.0. Even hard mode dungeons' gear is better than that armor is most cases if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't make a lot of sense for it to require that much effort, right?

6. Other honorable mentions include Sky/Sea-type areas that are only reachable after the completion of difficult missions; HNM camping for those of us with too much time on our hands; 2hr abilities or something similar; Race-specific equipment; Skillchains

Unlockable areas, cool, was a nice thing. HNM botting, no. 2 hour wait for an ability... I don't even think XI has that long a cooldown anymore, just retarded. Race-specific equip, all for it, as well as skillchains, but they don't fit this fast paced battle system.

[DSX]

Agreed! Wearing my AF and completing the main scenario felt so damn epic, and then I didn't even have that set for a whole week before replacing it with Darklight. Now I'm excited about AF+1, but discouraged that Allagan drops will make it all useless. I really wish I had more time to wear these excellent sets of gear that the designers worked so hard on.

well getting to the level cap is easily done
the game content is easily beatable
a game designed like that will never have memorable set of gear that one person can really feel proud obtaining
you wouldn't even have enough time to be proud about it even if you wanted to because as you have mentioned you will be replacing it right away..

[Mega_Man_U]

a game designed like that will never have memorable set of gear that one person can really feel proud obtaining

Full Allagan including weapon?

[DSX]

Full Allagan including weapon?

Yes.
the current Allagan set is a place holder that just happen to be the top set for the time being. This is a vertical progression type of game so Allagan set will meet the same fate as the rest once the development team release the next better set. So again we will be back to obtaining Allagan set is nothing to be proud about because in short time you will be replacing it with that new set.

[Alipoprocks]

Yes.
the current Allagan set is a place holder that just happen to be the top set for the time being. This is a vertical progression type of game so Allagan set will meet the same fate as the rest once the development team release the next better set. So again we will be back to obtaining Allagan set is nothing to be proud about because in short time you will be replacing it with that new set.

FYI, full allagan is not best in slot for all jobs. Just had to say that. ;p