Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Obysuca]

Factually innaccurate, if you look at the sales and subs between FFXI vs WoW vs FFXIV.

You're also forgetting you're comparing a game thats been going on for a decade (XI), when mmos were still new and less people had PCs for it back then, to a game that just came out(XIV) in an age where not having a decent computer is blasphemy. Give it until one of the newer mmos come out (ESO, PSO2 etc) and I bet you XIV's subs will drop like a rock. XI's been going on for a little over a decade and still making money, unlike all the other mmos who decided to copy the WoW model and died/had to go F2P in a year., which is exactly what XIV did.

[Reslin]

You're also forgetting you're comparing a game thats been going on for a decade (XI), when mmos were still new and less people had PCs for it back then, to a game that just came out(XIV) in an age where not having a decent computer is blasphemy. Give it until one of the newer mmos come out (ESO, PSO2 etc) and I bet you XIV's subs will drop like a rock. XI's been going on for a little over a decade and still making money, unlike all the other mmos who decided to copy the WoW model and died/had to go F2P in a year., which is exactly what XIV did.

Wild Star will have a bigger impact on FF14 than ESO. ESO is going to flop so hard. A complete disregard to the elderscrolls lore, incredibly grindy, people taking ages to kill in pvp, and more. It's being blasted everywhere. PSO2 isn't going to make a big impact either. Didn't they ask Yoshida for help after seeing the success of FF14?

By the way as much as people bash the F2P system there's a reason it exists. There's a reason EQnext is going to start as Free 2 Play and LOTRO went free to play when it still had a decently sized playerbase after they saw how much money it was making them in dungeons and dragons online. You can't point out that there's more players so many games should have over a million players. It doesn't work that way because most people won't leave their first mmo unless it becomes completely unrecognizable. For many people that was wow so many will not leave mmo no matter how good a game is. The market is huge and there's literally hundreds of mmorpgs out there and many have slight variances to major differences. These people have moved on from wow or started up in these games and are now trickling into the various ones on the market. So each games are getting their own niche of players. Unless something truly revolutionary happens you're not going to see an mmo on wow's scale. Even blizzard admitted it was an anomaly. A fluke.

[Gideon]

You're also forgetting you're comparing a game thats been going on for a decade (XI), when mmos were still new and less people had PCs for it back then, to a game that just came out(XIV) in an age where not having a decent computer is blasphemy. Give it until one of the newer mmos come out (ESO, PSO2 etc) and I bet you XIV's subs will drop like a rock. XI's been going on for a little over a decade and still making money, unlike all the other mmos who decided to copy the WoW model and died/had to go F2P in a year., which is exactly what XIV did.

Factually inaccurate. It came out the same timeframe as WoW. It also was available for the PS2 before WoW (which negates your PC argument as the PS2 is the best selling console of all time). It was also out for the 360, which is another great selling system.

[Obysuca]

Factually inaccurate. It came out the same timeframe as WoW. It also was available for the PS2 before WoW (which negates your PC argument as the PS2 is the best selling console of all time). It was also out for the 360, which is another great selling system.

Factually inaccurate, WoW came out in the time when PCs were cheaper and everyone could get one. They also shoved ads at you like no tomorrow. XI had 1 ad (outside Japan), which negates your PS2 because not many people knew about it.

[Gideon]

Factually inaccurate, WoW came out in the time when PCs were cheaper and everyone could get one. They also shoved ads at you like no tomorrow. XI had 1 ad (outside Japan), which negates your PS2 because not many people knew about it.

That makes literally no sense...

So many of these arguments are chasing their own tails. It really comes down to this, FFXIV is successful in the current model it is. If that's WoW, if thats EQ, if thats some amalgamation of all MMOs released to date, it doesnt matter: it works. Quit trying to make it emulate a subpar MMO that has a loyal, but small, fan base. That's what FFXIV 1.0 tried to do and hard failed. Move on, find another game, and dont try and take away from the other fans who out number you, but dont all feel the need to fall on their sword in some forum which doesnt honestly mean a lot.

[Dannythm]

That makes literally no sense...

So many of these arguments are chasing their own tails. It really comes down to this, FFXIV is successful in the current model it is. If that's WoW, if thats EQ, if thats some amalgamation of all MMOs released to date, it doesnt matter: it works. Quit trying to make it emulate a subpar MMO that has a loyal, but small, fan base. That's what FFXIV 1.0 tried to do and hard failed. Move on, find another game, and dont try and take away from the other fans who out number you, but dont all feel the need to fall on their sword in some forum which doesnt honestly mean a lot.

You sound afraid. Are you scared Yoshi might hear us out and improve ARR? Afraid to go through what we did and lose your precious game in favor of another you don't like?

Also, as I've said previously popularity does not equal quality, what is more, often is exactly the opposite.

[MageBlack]

You sound afraid. Are you scared Yoshi might hear us out and improve ARR? Afraid to go through what we did and lose your precious game in favor of another you don't like?

Also, as I've said previously popularity does not equal quality, what is more, often is exactly the opposite.

Remember, an improvement to one person may not be an improvement to another. This entire thread is about preference based on personal experience, on both sides. I find it kind of silly how vehemently some people argue for their preference while dismissing the others point of view entirely as "wrong" or "stupid". Rather than flame each other why not just post a cohesive comment about exactly what you would like to see then leave it at that?

When you argue here, who are you trying to convince? The other poster, yourself, or the devs? Who do you need to be convincing your idea is good?

[Gideon]

You sound afraid. Are you scared Yoshi might hear us out and improve ARR? Afraid to go through what we did and lose your precious game in favor of another you don't like?

Also, as I've said previously popularity does not equal quality, what is more, often is exactly the opposite.

Quite the opposite, if your suggestions were heeded it would diminish the game, and return it to a 1.0-like state (mechanics, not bugs). Which clearly was a massive failure.

lol that was a very hipster comment, im sure tons of games have no population for you to go play.

[Dannythm]

Remember, an improvement to one person may not be an improvement to another. This entire thread is about preference based on personal experience, on both sides. I find it kind of silly how vehemently some people argue for their preference while dismissing the others point of view entirely as "wrong" or "stupid". Rather than flame each other why not just post a cohesive comment about exactly what you would like to see then leave it at that?

When you argue here, who are you trying to convince? The other poster, yourself, or the devs? Who do you need to be convincing your idea is good?

No one, just stating my opinion for those who care, and may feel better if they know they are not alone in desiring something else with this game.

I've already told the devs enough times my opinions since the 1.0 beta (and I've been in ARR since the alpha), and neither back then nor now with ARR I've seen ANY of my concerns addressed, and this game is no longer one I want to play, still it saddens me see it going in the direction it's taken, and I hope it will become a game I want to play again, and as such, I state what I would pay a subscription for.

Quite the opposite, if your suggestions were heeded it would diminish the game, and return it to a 1.0-like state (mechanics, not bugs). Which clearly was a massive failure.

lol that was a very hipster comment, im sure tons of games have no population for you to go play.

I think you are not mature enough to have an adequate discussion, but if you are interested, I quit about a month ago and I'm happily having great fun playing Europa Universalis III, but as I paid for six months, I can still post in the forums until April. Also, I have more fun with the game this way than actually playing it.