Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Vandark]

Feeling entitled

If your account reads correctly I see you started playing in 2013 if that is very much the case where have you been supporting the game for the last two years?

You have the game you wanted while we payed for it and lost what we wanted, Feeling privileged?

No-one forced you to pay for FFXI and FFXIV 1.0. Games, you either like them or not.

I've liked, own and played every Final Fantasy that ever existed, believe me I like them and this dose not play like Final Fantasy, that I do not like.

the comment "I would like some of that back" is egotistical at best, because YOU spent money on things you enjoy doing knowing it would change and throwing out the entitlement card because you paid before is, frankly pathetic.

You sir or mam are attempting to get personal and are seriously lacking in respect for others.

Also, because you think the content they have added is pointless means they should slow down updates to suit you?

No but I'm not the only one so don't go acting like I am and IMO there is no point in earning a billion peaces of useless equipment that do not benefit you because they'll just get replaced by your weekly point equipment and coil if you do it.
- Gil is only really used to craft which now serves little purpose compared to the previous game, or housing which is hmm over priced to the point where it's practically making it pointless to even bother.
- Farming to earn gil is pointless for the same reasons that you don't even really need gil anymore, not to mention even if you wanted to earn gil with this method there is little use in selling items for 1gil -> 300gil 1k maybe tops for the majority of items being under 20gil.

Many, many people are playing and enjoying the content from 2.1. Going on being in game, you're a vocal minority. So yes, lets spoil it for the majority and slow down updates to satisfy your egotistical demands.

I'm one who chooses to be vocal thus I'm the minority, what about the millions of people not playing this game, I wonder what they enjoy. Who is making claims here really, it's not me, I'm just stating my opinions.

I wasnt talking about FFXIV 1,0 being for a different demographic (when it fact it was as Tanaka tried to make it totally different to FFXI) I was talking about FFXIV ARR! Thought that was obvious as 1.0 does not exist and is irrelevant at this point,

You treat old content as if it's no longer relevant because you never cared about it in the first place while it's completely relevant to others who did.

[Arkune]

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Sure we had Elitsm took the HNMs for sure and too bad there was a way to Claim HNMs with a certain Programm but well i am not really cared anytime with HNMs i had enough to do with 10 Kirins, 10 Jailer of Loves, 2x Dynamis Raids, 2x Einherjar 2x Limbus a week and Trigger farming. When People couldnt build up a simple Endgame Linkshell which skips the HNM part then they did something wrong. I did it and it worked out w/o any Problem.

I mentioned that, on every Server we had Linkshells they only took the best of the best but there were tonz on Linkshells they accepted you with a NQ Haubergeon and NQ staffs as a mage and builded you up and helped you to get acces to the Sky and Sea Areas. We had lolDRGs with us (when they were lol) we had lolDRKs we also had Beastmasters with us and alot other Linkshells i knew had them too, there was no way not to take them because Damage was Damage.

When your experience are that bad, ill ask you why u even played it 8 Years? doesnt makes sense to me sorry

ps.: 1 Dynamis Zone per Group is correct but this wasnt the fail of the Gamers itself it was the fail from SE due this times and btw. On Asura we had a Linkshell what was called "Fellowship" they had a Forum where Linkshell leaders posted their raid times and the leaders of the Fellowship LS updated the calender so everyone knew when this Zone is free or taken. ist a question of time managment and Organisation. 90% of the timer this calender worked out, sure u always had some Special persons they didnt cared about that, but who cares?

[Felis]

To me Tanaka's vision had plenty of adventure and was a very Immersive experience one I haven't felt again since, stop telling me to play XI seriously, I don't know how many times it's been said that XI isn't the same anymore and no longer can satisfy my needs. The old FFXIV how ever did fill that empty space, ARR dose not.

In short, you want a game where leve (8 every 36 hours) and guildhest is the only content, no instanced dungeons, open-world dungeons that look like just very big caves (with no bosses and chests, only with normal enemies) which you only enter to do leves there, and dealing with lv80 monsters that can one-shoot you the moment you take the wrong way? With no reason to take the way with the lv 80 monsters because there is nothing interesting to explore?

[Sapphic]

If your account reads correctly I see you started playing in 2013 if that is very much the case where have you been supporting the game for the last two years?

You have the game you wanted while we payed for it and lost what we wanted, Feeling privileged?

I have an a legacy char, same name. Started in Beta and bought the collectors edition. But thats irrelevant. YOU chose to pay and play a game you knew was going to change. And thinking that because you paid for previous games makes you entitled for future games is dilusional, come down from those clouds you are floating in.

Plus ive supported this game since it was released! Read this, repeat it like a mantra until you get it in your head.

FFXIV ARR IS NOT FFXIV 1.0.

You paid for FFXIV ARR! Don't make me laugh! There wasnt enough paying and playing to cover the salary of one of the staff, never mind everything else. SE paid for FFXIV to make money, your pittance kept the FFXIV 1.0 servers going. News for you, modern games dont take a couple hundred thousand dollars to make. They take millions.

I get it, you and the very few who kept playing enjoyed 1.0. More news for you, 1.0 is dead and buried, in the past, deceased, doesnt exist anymore. Time to move on.

I'm one who chooses to be vocal thus I'm the minority, what about the millions of people not playing this game, I wonder what they enjoy. Who is making claims here really, it's not me, I'm just stating my opinions.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsover. But to retort. Probably in the same place as the millions that never played FFXI or FFXIV 1.0.

[Velhart]

Sure we had Elitsm took the HNMs for sure and too bad there was a way to Claim HNMs with a certain Programm but well i am not really cared anytime with HNMs i had enough to do with 10 Kirins, 10 Jailer of Loves, 2x Dynamis Raids, 2x Einherjar 2x Limbus a week and Trigger farming. When People couldnt build up a simple Endgame Linkshell which skips the HNM part then they did something wrong. I did it and it worked out w/o any Problem.

I mentioned that, on every Server we had Linkshells they only took the best of the best but there were tonz on Linkshells they accepted you with a NQ Haubergeon and NQ staffs as a mage and builded you up and helped you to get acces to the Sky and Sea Areas. We had lolDRGs with us (when they were lol) we had lolDRKs we also had Beastmasters with us and alot other Linkshells i knew had them too, there was no way not to take them because Damage was Damage.

When your experience are that bad, ill ask you why u even played it 8 Years? doesnt makes sense to me sorry

ps.: 1 Dynamis Zone per Group is correct but this wasnt the fail of the Gamers itself it was the fail from SE due this times and btw. On Asura we had a Linkshell what was called "Fellowship" they had a Forum where Linkshell leaders posted their raid times and the leaders of the Fellowship LS updated the calender so everyone knew when this Zone is free or taken. ist a question of time managment and Organisation. 90% of the timer this calender worked out, sure u always had some Special persons they didnt cared about that, but who cares?

Actually I quite enjoyed myself. Mainly because I went above and beyond expectations in my job as Samurai and Corsair, which were both highly desired jobs, and was in a high end shell that always got the job done. Despite that, there was always risk that we wouldn't be enjoying any content that day. We even quit doing HNM's after many years of doing so when the botters came in. Didn't matter, we didn't really want much left of them anyways.

You missed the point though. The point is that elitism is in some way, shape, or form in every game, and you put FFXI on this high pedestal of a gaming community when it was not the case at all. All the content you mentioned up there could be potentially halted or a day completely ruined by other players. In that sense, I find FFXI worse because at least in WoW and ARR, I don't have to associate with the "elitist" side of the community. In FFXI, for the majority of the content, you have no choice but to do so.

[Vandark]

I have an a legacy char, same name. Started in Beta and bought the collectors edition. But thats irrelevant. YOU chose to pay and play a game you knew was going to change. And thinking that because you paid for previous games makes you entitled for future games is dilusional, come down from those clouds you are floating in.

Plus ive supported this game since it was released! Read this, repeat it like a mantra until you get it in your head.


FFXIV ARR IS NOT FFXIV 1.0.

You paid for FFXIV ARR! Don't make me laugh! There wasnt enough paying and playing to cover the salary of one of the staff, never mind everything else. SE paid for FFXIV to make money, your pittance kept the FFXIV 1.0 servers going. News for you, modern games dont take a couple hundred thousand dollars to make. They take millions.

I chose to pay and play the game because I am loyal, ARR to me was exciting I had massive hopes for it why wouldn’t I choose to play.
The changes we were promised were never believed to be a complete overhaul of every tiny detail, as far as I was aware I never expected it to join the WoW train ride of MMO's.
I wasn't delusional. If I knew in advance it would change in the extreme ways that it has I never would have supported that, it was hidden under the radar.

Things I knew would change and the promises that were made.

.Graphics
.better maps
.improvements on the battle speed
.improved performance

we have IMO

.Worse graphics now
.better looking maps with worse exploration
.faster battle with way less strategy and less skills - I never expected the entire battle system to be completely altered
.improved performance with huge sacrifices

We weren't told that the battle system as a whole would change, that the leveling system would become questing,
-that_
-end game progression would be 100% dungeon-raid related content,
-the entire games story is soluble despite more dungeons,
-AF fights as a team no longer exsist as a thing,
-team content is simply accessible in your inn,
-socializing is no longer a necessary thing in order to progress,
-character models shapes and appearances are no longer the same despite loss in graphics, also movement and physics took a huge hit,
-the fishing game no longer exists ( lvl 50 fisher from old version ),
-the game would change from a realistic type fantasy game designed to feel like a virtual alternate world to a theme park game where everyone runs around doing Fates and with pets following them,
-there is no longer coffer chests, max level craftible gear, max lvl leves with good rewards, that half the old matera no longer exsists and the matera we have now kind of sucks,
-our characters would be half as strong as they used to be despite the faster paced battles.
-relics would become a walk in the park making all the primal weapons even more pointless than they already were
-OUR 30MIN COOL-DOWN ABILITY'S THAT TOTALLY OWNED - Taken away!!!
-Our 30min cool-downs would be replaced with limit breaks that are not even exclusive to single players and are instead a team skill that you can't use playing solo, and majority of the time you don't even get to use them at all unless your a monk or dragoon.
-I can no longer combine my skills like I used to and I have less than 1-3rd of the available skills to use
-crafting leves no longer give you the mats to craft you must buy them and simply hand in the items to complete the quest.. LAME you can just buy everything for 1gil in this stupid game, job done and with no crafting being necessary.
-I miss being able to make like 2mil a day farming raptor skins and actually needing to spend my gil, I have 10mil siting on my character doing nothing but sit there now because I am already pro enough that I don't need to spend it on anything but repairs.
-Event equipment was earned by doing real event type content not just plucking away at another,,, yep another fate
-gear means everything in this game and that skill is no longer a requirement in order to win a fight
-this game would generate a future of horrible gamers that believe they are elite players due to delusions
-the games performance in terms of registering response times have not improved enough to justify the extreme loss in graphics potential. The old game's faults dew to low PC's in this day and age 3 years later are on a larger scale irrelevant as these days more people have access to high end PC's, the game was just released 3 years too early.

All these changes I dislike, honestly I could name so much more but all I want to attempt to enjoy the game again is some damn content I enjoy more than the same dungeon/raiding garbage over and over again.

I feel like we will never know what could have been incredible because Tanaka's vision has been completely demolished, instead of simply being improved on.

I just had a different vision for the games future than you obviously. Are you over your precious personal attacks yet or shall we continue to rant on?

[Arkune]

too Long again :P

Sure but i am talking from my experience with the XI Commnunity that you had such experience i cant say that i had such bad experience with others at all. Sure the day could hae been ruined when someone other takes the "instance" or "kirin ??? spawn place" but hell you had alot other things to do, you could have farmed in the meanwhile or ask the leader of the other Linkshell how Long they will take or help them out to kill it even faster. Everything was possible.

Elitism is everywhere and in every game not only MMOs but specific Mechanic like the Ilevels and stuff force alot more People to turn in such Elitism Players.

I dont care if ist also Casual Friendly Game, i dont hate them and i dont feel like i Need to get rid of them. But to be fair, is to too hard to add such things for us, we enjoyed or want?

Open World Bosses like Sky/Sea with Trigger spawns and rng droprate but unlimited to kill just with a 5 Minutes ??? respawn instead of 15 Minutes, Dynamis Zones for more then 1 Group with up to 64 Players?

Big FC and Alliance Encounter with Long Lasting Equipment instead of short Lasting Gear Progression.
Instead of 100% random Drops just add fix Drops to a specific Boss and add a % Chance to drop it.

[Doo]

People use the word niche like it's a bad thing. There's plenty of great niche games. Can you imagine what would it be like if every developer decided to copy WoW or Call of Duty? Appealing to the masses is not always a good thing for gaming.

You would never get great games like the Persona series, Tales series, etc.

[Sapphic]

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Most things you say there are blatently wrong. 1.0 was everyone running around doing Leve parties instead of Fates.

So you are saying you prefered the lifeless, barren, copypasted, pointless environments of 1.0 as opposed to, albeit smaller, more varied with more things going on in ffxiv arr? Events were weak in 1.0. albeit they are pretty weak in ffxiv arr after being spoilt with Rifts holiday events.

Try using gear to save you from landslides, from rot etc see how far that gets you. Gear only counts for so much in high end battles in FFXIV ARR. Gear counted more in ffxi than it does in ffxiv arr.

I could go on but you so blindsided by your own sense of self importance "because you supported a game" that you feel that SE owes you. They don't. Get over it.

But, obviously the game isn't for you. So let it go, maybe check back after a couple of updates and see if the direction is heading to what you think you might actually start to enjoy. If you still keep playing, protip. See it as a new game. Which, tbh, it is, and accept it for what it is, not what you think it should be. You'll be much happier either way.

[synaesthetic]

I played during 1.0. That game was a trainwreck. The current XIV is such a vast improvement that it's not even funny, even if Square still seems addicted to arbitrary restrictions.