Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[TaneshimaPopura]

With 50% Base mitigation and 5000 Base HP.

A Defiance warrior would have : 5000 * 1.25 * 2 = 12500 eHP
A Shield Oath Paladin would have : 5000 * 2 * 1.2 = 12000 eHP

a 1000 Heal would mean ...
20% Heal increase = 1000 * 2 * 1.2 = 2400 eHP
For Paladin = 1000 * 2 * 1.2 = 2400 eHP
25% Heal increase = 1000 * 2 * 1.25 = 2500 eHP

[Leiron]

With 50% Base mitigation and 5000 Base HP.

A Defiance warrior would have : 5000 * 1.25 * 2 = 12500 eHP
A Shield Oath Paladin would have : 5000 * 2 * 1.2 = 12000 eHP

Again, you are doing your math wrong for shield oath.
It is 1/.8 = 1.25

THAT is the multiplier you should be utilizing. You are confused on the eHP because you are doing the math incorrectly.

1000hp PLD
1250 WAR.

Damage is in coming for 300
Paladin takes 240 damage.
WAR takes 300.

It takes 5 hits to kill the Paladin. 240 x 5= 1200
It takes 5 hits to kill the WAR. 300 x 5 = 1500

If 20% damage mitigation = 20% eHP, then here is what would happen.

PLD 1200 eHP
WAR 1250 eHp

It takes 4 hits to kill the Paladin. 300 x 4 = 1200
WAR lives with 50 HP left.

20% damage mitigation =/= 20% eHP.
It is 25% eHP.

So a WAR and PLD have equal eHP.
They do NOT have equal HP bonuses.

a 1000 Heal would mean ...
20% Heal increase = 1000 * 2 * 1.2 = 2400 eHP
For Paladin = 1000 * 2 * 1.2 = 2400 eHP
25% Heal increase = 1000 * 2 * 1.25 = 2500 eHP

No no no.
20% mitigation also means its equivalent to a 25% healing bonus for the exact same reason's I gave above.

For this exact same reason, a WAR in Defiance deals 33% less damage compared to without defiance.
a PLD does 25% less damage in Shield oath compared to no Shield Oath.

[TaneshimaPopura]

Ah right that's the hole in my calculation. I made reduction into linear increase in eHP when it is actually suppose to be exponential. Sorry for all the mis-information.

[ExarKun007]

I didn't see anything about addressing the 4.9 year wind-up of brutal swing.

[Exhaltia]

Fancy math aside, I should say that I play as a WAR, only a WAR, no other classes, and I don't think the changes are in-line with the way the class currently feels. The plan is to take away some of it's self reliance in order to make it more efficient to heal. The only changes I really felt were necessary is increase WAR magic damage mitigation and increase the bloodlust effect, WAR's current self heals are worthless, except Inner Beast. I don't believe the off-tank should have to be micromanaged like the main tank, since generally speaking the mobs to pick up will not hit as hard as the boss.

Also Mercy Stroke is terrible; it doesn't even make sense that something needs to die to make it effective, just make it heal you no matter what when the mob is at 20% or less. You could even make it a WAR trait so no other classes got it.

Edit: I should have mentioned I agree with the new Holmgang changes, I almost never use that ability and when I do generally can't hit the target since it gets out of range by the time the animation goes off.

[Necaust]

Maybe I won't dread healing Warriors so much when I LFD now and perhaps this will create motivation for some uber geared Paladins to finally learn how to properly tank.

[Ruminate]

Fancy math aside, I should say that I play as a WAR, only a WAR, no other classes, and I don't think the changes are in-line with the way the class currently feels. The plan is to take away some of it's self reliance in order to make it more efficient to heal.

Currently feels? Self-reliance? Are you talking about the PLD or the WAR? Because the current WAR relies on the healer more than the PLD.

[Leiron]

Ah right that's the hole in my calculation. I made reduction into linear increase in eHP when it is actually suppose to be exponential. Sorry for all the mis-information.

It's all good, I used to make the same error a ton.
Heck recently I embarrassed myself by falling in front of a group of my peers.

[Exhaltia]

Currently feels? Self-reliance? Are you talking about the PLD or the WAR? Because the current WAR relies on the healer more than the PLD.

In end-game raid content maybe, but I've finished plenty of fights with no healer since I can Inner Beast> Infuriate> Inner Beast and get most of my HP back.

Edit: Maybe I should also clarify that I mean how I think it feels like it should play in raid, or feels like it plays solo/fates and 4man.

[Enjin]

I think it has to do with the increase in healing power Wars will receive (version 2.0 full wrath was +15% heal potency, 2.1 will be +20% by Defiance) this +5% difference can make a whm heals overcome a wars threat, so my bet is that they did it to balance this.

Also see how it was done to overpower only, which you use when you have lots of mobs on you and want to keep them on you while your DPS AOEs them and the WHM is spamming cures on you to keep you alive... WP SR anyone?

I see the logic in that but in a 2 tank scenario -- where you'll likely have a PLD to work with -- You'd have to up PLD threat as well to keep up with global heal threat.