Thread: Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

Originally Posted by Crimess

I feel like WAR need some reduced cool downs too, some of them are just a bit ridiculous to me (this is why we are getting 2.1 for WAR) YOU FREAKING PALAS ARE FINE OMG!!.

Way to over react. Just because when you stand next to a PLD you look like a turd doesn't mean PLD are 100% fine. There are plenty of QoL and tweaks both WARs AND PLDs could use after 2.1.

2.1 is the step in the right direction but a lot of the classes have abilities that are undertuned/overtuned/lackluster/clunky. Steel Cyclone or Shield Swipe for example.

o read it wrong, ignore post lol

i wouldnt say that. because right now it's pretty clear that PLD can out tank the WAR.this will put the WAR on the same tanking scale as PLD at least thats what im hoping for. there hasnt been a dungeon or primal or anything that i couldnt tank (im a WAR) BUT it's clear that people would rather have a paladin they will however settle for a WAR. these changes will make it so that people wont have to settle for a WAR but make it so that people looking for a tank can be happy with a WAR or a PLD.

Originally Posted by Crimess

I always roll T2 with a paladin and bard and they deal with the rotation I just Tank/DPS the crap out of the ads.

You just said it yourself, basically you're very very optional there. No offence... you're just a lucky one to have a group accepting you.

Coil can be cleared easily with 2 paladins. However, I doubt it can be cleared as easy with 2 warriors... not even in 2.1. Not until warriors get silence or you've got multiple bards.

If I have two paladins, why should I bring a warrior instead? Just name me ONE reason.

No complex science and maths, this is how I view the current problem:



How to make it into the ideal state? Just some examples:

Give paladin stun while giving warrior silence or vice versa. (e.g. change Brutal Swing effect to silence and remove Spirits Within silence effect)
Give paladin blind while giving warrior slow or vice versa. (e.g. add a battle cry effect that slows all nearby enemies as counter to Enhanced Flash)
... etc.

To me, this is how to balance things up

Originally Posted by Warthain

hallowed ground vs holmgang both characters are immortal for its duration

Hallowed Ground is so much better than Holmgang that its not even funny.

Hallowed Ground:
- damage reduction is always in effect as soon as the ability is activated.
- in the worse case scenario, at the end of Hallowed Ground, the PLD will have the same HP he started with before Hallowed Ground was initiated (well, not really, since they would have a tick or two of regen).
- any healing received while Hallowed Ground is active will persist throughout the effect.

Holmgang:
- damage reduction only kicks in when character HP is at 1. Before that it grants no damage reduction whatsoever.
- in the worse case scenario, at the end of Holmgang, the MRD/WAR will be left at 1 HP.
- healing received while Holmgang is active may be lost if the mob keeps hitting you.

These differences are all very important points that people ignore. While with Hallowed Ground you're guaranteed to get damage reduction as long as the mob is hitting you, in the case of Holmgang its not only possible, but indeed very likely, that the damage reduction effect will never kick in. Holmgang is likely to see more use from its draw-in effect than from its "immortality" effect.

Honestly, I'm very skeptical that Holmgang will have much use after 2.1 hits. They'd have to change Holmgang to something like "HP cannot drop below 20%" or whatever value that doesn't let you get instantly gipped once the effect ends for it to even be comparable to Hallowed Ground.