Thread: Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.

Defiance adds 20% percent to incoming heals after the fact. There's still a ton of stress on Mister WHM over there to pour those heals on.

Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

Originally Posted by Muziko

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.

Defiance adds 20% percent to incoming heals after the fact. There's still a ton of stress on Mister WHM over there to pour those heals on.

Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

Because if a pld doesnt get healed, he'll still die? Go ahead, try using sentinel against mountain buster and then have everybody else stop doing what they're doing and see what happens.

Originally Posted by Gardes

Because if a pld doesnt get healed, he'll still die? Go ahead, try using sentinel against mountain buster and then have everybody else stop doing what they're doing and see what happens.

You're dodging the question. Or perhaps you've missed the point of the post entirely.

Originally Posted by Muziko

You're dodging the question. Or perhaps you've missed the point of the post entirely.

Nah, I just didnt forget that defiance also comes with the HP boost for the 'always on' side.

smh I honestly don't like the new changes. I honestly hoped they would give us mit *pary* and give us some small heals based on dam we parried along with switching our cross class to drg. Idk from what I've read this just seems like the lazy way to fixing a problem that needed to be looked at more deeply.

Originally Posted by Muziko

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.


Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

well let say "mountain buster" is 4000 damage
heal II for 1500 hp

PLD hp 6000
PLD take "mountain buster" (4000*80%)= 3200 damage
PLD Hp remain 6000 - 3200 = 2800 = 46% HP remain
PLD get heal after that 2800 + 1500 = 4300 = 71% HP remain

WAR hp 8000
WAR take "Mountain buster" 4000 damage
WAR Hp remain 8000 - 4000 = 4000 = 50% HP remain
WAR get heal after that 4000 + (1500*120%) = 5800 = 72.5% HP remain

There's a pretty good chance anyone actually tanking titan as a WAR, because they need to do so for their relic quest, that they don't have 8k HP.. with thrill up for a short while they do.... but when that thing is on CD and mountain buster is landing and happens to hit you for 4-5k in full dl, preceded by a standard attack from Titan.. You need immediate healing to not die the moment the auto attack following mountain buster lands on you. This has never been an issue for PLD, even if wearing nothing but hoplite and AF mix.

I half expected warrior to have its true blood bath returned to it alongside the real steel cyclone, not this entirely unnecessary and underwhelming fodder of a signature class ability. Why use steel cyclone even with hate gain when my overpower is better at hate generation and doesn't waste an IB that will help the healers conserve mp and keep me alive easier?

Originally Posted by Artshu

well let say "mountain buster" is 4000 damage
heal II for 1500 hp

PLD hp 6000
PLD take "mountain buster" (4000*80%)= 3200 damage
PLD Hp remain 6000 - 3200 = 2800 = 46% HP remain
PLD get heal after that 2800 + 1500 = 4300 = 71% HP remain

WAR hp 8000
WAR take "Mountain buster" 4000 damage
WAR Hp remain 8000 - 4000 = 4000 = 50% HP remain
WAR get heal after that 4000 + (1500*120%) = 5800 = 72.5% HP remain

lol wtf are you even learn math?
why PLD hp 6000 and WAR are 8000 ?

if your base hp is 6000 WAR with defiance is 6000+25%(1500) = 7500

WAR hp 7500 take 4000 damage , HP 7500 - 4000 = 3500 = 47% hp remain
WAR get heal by Cure2 3500 + 1500*120% = 5300 = 70% hp remain

Originally Posted by Artshu

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Your math is off that a 6000 HP PLD would be equivalent of a 7500 HP Warrior. This would leave the Warrior at 70.67% max HP at the end.

Originally Posted by Muziko

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.

Defiance adds 20% percent to incoming heals after the fact. There's still a ton of stress on Mister WHM over there to pour those heals on.

Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

They're not, the healing buff would have to be 25%.