Thread: Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

Translation of Yoshi's post:
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Marauder Changes:
1. upgrade
2. upgrade
3. upgrade
4. upgrade
5. upgrade
6. upgrade
7. upgrade
8. upgrade

Warrior Changes:
1. upgrade
2. upgrade
3. upgrade
4. upgrade
5. upgrade


More damage mitigation, more healing upgrades, less cast times, increase ability durations.

My simple question to Yoshi and developers:
What does Paladin get? Paladin needs enmity increases, ability time increases, etc..... If you're going to upgrade one class then you should do this for all classes.

My simple question to Yoshi and developers:
What does Paladin get? We need an enmity increases, ability time increases, etc..... If you're going to upgrade one class then you should do this for all classes

That just doesn't make any sense. PLD was WAY ahead of us WAR's for anything post Garuda fights. Now that we are on PAR with PLD (maybe as it hasn't been released yet) you are asking for upgrades on PLD already? A PLD can tank Titan with DL gear and not much else, I can still barely tank Titan with AF2/Relic etc without twice the support the lower geared PLD needed. I went to Coil this morning with a PLD with DL ,one AF2 and relic +1 and he did just fine. Do you think WAR could even consider that? Bringing WAR on par with PLD in no way suggest that PLD needs buffs...............

Originally Posted by Devils

That just doesn't make any sense. PLD was WAY ahead of us WAR's for anything post Garuda fights. Now that we are on PAR with PLD (maybe as it hasn't been released yet) you are asking for upgrades on PLD already? A PLD can tank Titan with DL gear and not much else, I can still barely tank Titan with AF2/Relic etc without twice the support the lower geared PLD needed. I went to Coil this morning with a PLD with DL ,one AF2 and relic +1 and he did just fine. Do you think WAR could even consider that? Bringing WAR on par with PLD in no way suggest that PLD needs buffs...............

What the hell are you even talking about? My first caduceus kill was with the warrior tank in AK/DL.

Originally Posted by Wizhard

What the hell are you even talking about? My first caduceus kill was with the warrior tank in AK/DL.

Please read what I wrote, I am not saying it can't be done but requires a TON more support that even a lesser geared PLD. And if you effectively MT Cad with that gear you were carried through it, hate to break it to you.

I can still barely tank Titan with AF2/Relic etc without twice the support the lower geared PLD needed

Originally Posted by Hanabira

What would be the point of buffing an inefficient class if everyone else gets bumped too? defeats the purpose dude

Edit: Devils, you mean that pld can tank titan perfectly fine in mostly Hoplite right? a hoplite pld tanks titan about on par with an AF+1 war, its just silly

A DL equipped tank on PLD almost means instant win on Titan assuming the group is competent. A DL equipped WAR is laughable, it might can happen but it is luck of the draw. AF2 WAR is still more iffy than a DL PLD. And I think you are right, a Hoplite PLD is probably as much if not more efficient that AF2 WAR in the current setup on anything above Garuda. You can make a WAR tank work but the idea of HAVING to be over geared for the instance is just ridiculous IMO.

These changes were needed just to make WAR a usable tank instead of a 2nd thought off tank. Cause even in a best case scenario the PLD was a better off tank than a WAR.

Originally Posted by Devils

A DL equipped tank on PLD almost means instant win on Titan assuming the group is competent. A DL equipped WAR is laughable, it might can happen but it is luck of the draw. AF2 WAR is still more iffy than a DL PLD. And I think you are right, a Hoplite PLD is probably as much if not more efficient that AF2 WAR in the current setup on anything above Garuda. You can make a WAR tank work but the idea of HAVING to be over geared for the instance is just ridiculous IMO.

These changes were needed just to make WAR a usable tank instead of a 2nd thought off tank. Cause even in a best case scenario the PLD was a better off tank than a WAR.

I tanked Titan for my Relic just fine with half DL, half AK and Titans Axe...idk what you're talking about. You seem to be just really bad at WAR, or your group doesn't know how to "adjust" to a WAR tank.
Coil is more demanding when it comes to WAR tank...but in one of our FC groups they had a WAR tank all the way to Turn 5 with DL and Relic, before he got any Myth/Allagan pieces, so your point is invalid.

WAR needed buffs for sure...but IMO they got ahead of themselves and exaggerated the buffs a bit. Take off the mitigation from Inner Beast and buff it back up to 300% healing. That's all it would take to really equal them out. IB is just over the top.

Originally Posted by TirionCrey

WAR needed buffs for sure...but IMO they got ahead of themselves and exaggerated the buffs a bit. Take off the mitigation from Inner Beast and buff it back up to 300% healing. That's all it would take to really equal them out. IB is just over the top.

The new buff will essentially be the Healing, except it will scale with endgame damage, without having to stack a ton of STR to make it effective. That allows it to not be completely OP in low level stuff, but still useful for endgame. Something that would have made it more interesting, although RNG, would if using Inner Beast gave you a +60% Parry Buff for like 15 seconds + 300% heals. That way you could stack STR still, which would increase your Parry%

It would keep a bit more of it's Warriorness with that.

Originally Posted by TirionCrey

I tanked Titan for my Relic just fine with half DL, half AK and Titans Axe...idk what you're talking about. You seem to be just really bad at WAR, or your group doesn't know how to "adjust" to a WAR tank.
Coil is more demanding when it comes to WAR tank...but in one of our FC groups they had a WAR tank all the way to Turn 5 with DL and Relic, before he got any Myth/Allagan pieces, so your point is invalid.

WAR needed buffs for sure...but IMO they got ahead of themselves and exaggerated the buffs a bit. Take off the mitigation from Inner Beast and buff it back up to 300% healing. That's all it would take to really equal them out. IB is just over the top.

My point of far from invalid. tanking Titan with half DL and half AK one of two things happen 1) you are absolutely full of shit and trying to troll an argument on the internet 2) had way over geared healers to carry you through. Same thing goes for your DL/Relic WAR going to turn 5. I personally think it is number 1. There is nothing "bad" about being topped off (over 7k HP) taking a table flip followed by a crit auto attack and dying. In the same circumstance a DL PLD would have no problem and at least live to get the big heals coming his way. Not likely with a DL WAR.

Originally Posted by Devils

My point of far from invalid. tanking Titan with half DL and half AK one of two things happen 1) you are absolutely full of shit and trying to troll an argument on the internet 2) had way over geared healers to carry you through. Same thing goes for your DL/Relic WAR going to turn 5. I personally think it is number 1. There is nothing "bad" about being topped off (over 7k HP) taking a table flip followed by a crit auto attack and dying. In the same circumstance a DL PLD would have no problem and at least live to get the big heals coming his way. Not likely with a DL WAR.

I've got to turn 5 with DL+Relic as WAR. IB 300% is actually really close to what 20% MIT will be anyway. IB for me is like 1.2k-1.5k without maim, berserk or unchained up (I'm not in DL now). Depending on how hard you get hit a 300% IB would actually be better than 20% MIT, so I don't see the problem?