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    I have one request. If the Inner Beast buff goes through make it so paladins can rotate a reliable 20% damage reduction on each death sentence too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizhard View Post
    I have one request. If the Inner Beast buff goes through make it so paladins can rotate a reliable 20% damage reduction on each death sentence too.
    yea its called shield oath

    in all seriousness, there are some not needed buff like unchained/mercy stroke CD, but otherwise it very well thought of changes overall. It really doesnt change the meta much as pld + warr is already preferred spec in T5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightReach View Post
    yea its called shield oath

    in all seriousness, there are some not needed buff like unchained/mercy stroke CD, but otherwise it very well thought of changes overall. It really doesnt change the meta much as pld + warr is already preferred spec in T5.
    Shield Oath is an answer to Defiance not the new Inner Beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizhard View Post
    Shield Oath is an answer to Defiance not the new Inner Beast.
    Except warriors needed an answer to shield oath because shield oath was so much better than defiance. I forget the math for it, but it's something to do with healing, which defiance stacks not making up for the increased healing warriors need. Even with the proposed buff to defiance, it's still not enough to equal shield oath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizhard View Post
    Shield Oath is an answer to Defiance not the new Inner Beast.
    sarcasm... would u like to buy some? Dime a dozen

    Everyone and their mom would take shield oath over defiance any day regardless if the skills are mathematically equal. As most of the discrepancy comes from if both classes suffer a double 4000 potency atk, a 8000 hp warrior would be dead, while a 6500 hp pld would survive not to mention the mental fatigue on healer when they see warrior health jump up and down.

    Additionally you still have block which unlike parry reduces magic damage as well as physical. people seems to forgot how much block helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightReach View Post
    Additionally you still have block which unlike parry reduces magic damage as well as physical. people seems to forgot how much block helps.
    Since when? As far as I've seen, you can only block physical attacks. I have never blocked the ADS attacks from turn 2 for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladon View Post
    Since when? As far as I've seen, you can only block physical attacks. I have never blocked the ADS attacks from turn 2 for example.
    My mistake then, I do believe you can block death sentence, but I have never parried death sentence before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tano View Post
    since inner beast is off gcd.
    lolwat do you even warr?

    also it is not the same as i said 2 4000 potency attack will instantly kill a warrior but will not kill a similar geared pld.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightReach View Post
    lolwat do you even warr?

    also it is not the same as i said 2 4000 potency attack will instantly kill a warrior but will not kill a similar geared pld.
    As it is now, you are right, but that's because pld has 4 skills to increase def except shield oath. sentinel, bulkwalk, rampart and foresight.
    Also pld has a shield, so block rate is "added" to parry rate (using quotes since it's not really added, as both are exclusive events).

    War only has foresight. So even if it has more HP it has way less def, block/parry, and not a reliable heal bonus to compensate the huge losses in hp.

    In 2.1 it will be different. I see a lot of def buffs (even in the rotation with storm's path, not to mention inner beast and vengeance), and a fixed +20% heals on defiance.

    again, do your math. 20% more hp + 20% more heals = 20% def.
    but well, defiance gives 25% more hp
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightReach View Post
    My mistake then, I do believe you can block death sentence, but I have never parried death sentence before.
    You can both block and parry death sentence as it is a standard physical attack. I regularly block and parry it.

    Shield block functions exactly the same as parry, it's just an extra check that an enemy has to go through to do full damage to a Paladin. We can also fortunately improve it with better shields as well.

    I will not discredit the overall benefit of shield block as it is a very nice bonus for tanking, however it simply is not a mechanic that can be compared to any 100% chance active mitigation skill since shield blocking is unreliable and it limited to physical type damage only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightReach View Post
    sarcasm... would u like to buy some? Dime a dozen

    Everyone and their mom would take shield oath over defiance any day regardless if the skills are mathematically equal. As most of the discrepancy comes from if both classes suffer a double 4000 potency atk, a 8000 hp warrior would be dead, while a 6500 hp pld would survive not to mention the mental fatigue on healer when they see warrior health jump up and down.

    Additionally you still have block which unlike parry reduces magic damage as well as physical. people seems to forgot how much block helps.
    +20% hp +20% heal = +20% def
    it's the same.

    PLD-> 6000 hp, loses 3000 hp, gets 3000 hp healed.
    WAR-> 7200 hp, loses 3600 hp, gets 3600 hp healed.

    no stress added, since on % it's the same. also war has a great time with lustrate and stoneskin when using thrill of battle.

    Except defiance raises max hp by 25%, so it's actually better. well, will be. atm it sucks.
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    Last edited by Tano; 11-21-2013 at 08:11 AM.

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