Why do you continue to play?

[PiedPiper]

To be better than Halcyon Cam.

I love coils, I think all 5 turns are a lot of fun, and I'm really enjoying my FC's progression in 5.

I think Titan is a wonderful fight and I have never been so excited to clear a fight in any MMO after our progression (turn 5 may trump, but probalby only if sword drops and goes to me on first kill)

I have all battle 50s from 1.0, I have three full dl, my pld is half way to full i90, I play way too much, I think i count as a member of the "elitest hard cores that hate pugs." I do, kind of. If I shout "I want to do this as a speedrun" and you answer saying "yeah i'm good for this" in your level 30 accessories, that's just a lie. You have decieved me. If I join duty finder, that's one thing, I knew I would almost always out gear the others and be carrying, but I accepted that by joining DF.

I spend too much time on these forums, I read a lot of the posts, and I do agree there is too much vitrol in the "geared/xcores vs. casuals." I think most of this is when either group feels like their space is invaded by the other. If a "hardcore" is trying to build speed run or titan or coil groups, and they say as much, it is perfectly fair for them to expect their team mates to have a similar level of investment. If a "casual" joins duty finder, or builds an explictly non-speed run group, and a "xcore" joins and starts demanding speed runs/gear, its perfectly reasonable for the "casual" to get angry. Just because you think you are in of those two groups, or some where in between, doesn't mean you have the right to expect the entire game to be built for you.

I am against a Titan nerf, I am against a coil nerf. having been part of the effort to build a FC and do progression, I agree with the assesments of many otehrs that these fights are well tuned and perfectly fair.

I would be okay with a "easier titan" that awarded ilv70 versions of relics for casuals so they can have the pretty visual. (This would be an entirely separate mode, say "Adventure-Titan," and would NOT remove the current hard mode from teh game. Also, this i70 CANNOT be upgraded straight to the i90, one must pass through the i80 fight.

What do I do in game?

Well, turns 1-4, now that we are trhough them, only take us about 2 hours (not the fastest of the leetest, but still pretty hasty), which happens on monday night and often leaves me sad face as I come to realize there is no chance (or at least, very little in turn 5) of vertical growth on my paladin :<

But I really enjoy scholar and blackmage as well, so there is plenty of pre-coils content to do to gear and play those classes. Currently I'm working on making and melding vanya for my sch to be totally over powered with that 30%ish crit rate.

I haven't finished levelign crafts, never gotten into gathering, so plenty left in that direction. There is near endless horizontal growth room.

I'm not as pesimistic about 2.1 as many others. I expect CT to be hard for reasons other than numbers. Rather than it being the sorts of gear checks that say turn 4 and 5 are, I expect/hope it will requrie coordination on a much large scale.

Sure, with any luck, my pld will be full/very nearly full i90 by the time CT hits, but that means all that pretty crystal themed i80 gear can go to my second love SCH.

But, really. All of this is to be better than Halcyon Cam. Because nothing makes me happier than lording over my friend. I have a 600 hp lead on him atm :>

I play to be better than Halcyon Cam. Anything he can do, I CAN DO WAY BETTER AND LOOK BETTER DOING IT CUS RAWR

[IamBenpi]

I must be doing something wrong if "casuals" can not only level, but gear a class in 3 days. How are these casuals you speak of getting 3 weeks worth of myth tomes in 3 days? How are these casuals leveling to 50 in 3 days? I mean getting to 50 in 3 days is certainly possible, but not in a couple hours a day, unless again, I'm doing something very wrong.

[Rahaya]

I must be doing something wrong if "casuals" can not only level, but gear a class in 3 days. How are these casuals you speak of getting 3 weeks worth of myth tomes in 3 days? How are these casuals leveling to 50 in 3 days? I mean getting to 50 in 3 days is certainly possible, but not in a couple hours a day, unless again, I'm doing something very wrong.

People have a skewed view of the term "casual" is why. If you play four hours a day, that's not casual. For five days that's twenty hours, a part time job. And usually, they play even more on weekends. "I play a lot so I get a lot done" is news to precisely nobody but that doesn't stir up in the forum, does it?

[Orianas]

I must be doing something wrong if "casuals" can not only level, but gear a class in 3 days. How are these casuals you speak of getting 3 weeks worth of myth tomes in 3 days? How are these casuals leveling to 50 in 3 days? I mean getting to 50 in 3 days is certainly possible, but not in a couple hours a day, unless again, I'm doing something very wrong.

No I think you misunderstood my statement. I'm saying that *I* can do that. That I can gear up a character in full DL in 3 days. With sub-10 min runs of WP that equates to 500-600 tomes an hour, and makes it easily possible to gear the character in 2 days (about 12 hours total). Casual to me is 4 hours a day 2-3 days a week which if you can't put this time in then honestly you aren't going to be able to raid and we shouldn't even be looking at raid content for you. This is where lower commitment content like dungeons and other pick up and go content is for. I'm not saying casuals shouldn't have content developed for them but raid content shouldn't have to take people that can't commit enough time to do it into consideration. I think the 'overton window' so to speak has been moved in the battle of casual vs hardcore. It used to be that there wasn't a battle because hardcores didn't care about casuals because both groups were more divided in their pursuits of gaming enjoyment, but now companies try to develop raid content for casuals as well as raiders while maintaining lower time constrained content easy and accessible somewhat alienating the hardcores. Blizzard for example released dungeon level content alongside of the next tier of raid content. But, the problem with 2.1 in particular and also subsequent patches (as this isnt the only patch for crystal tower) is that we will be getting a step back in content and then a forward move then a step back then a forward move. If they released them side by side there would be much less to complain about simply because the hardcore crowd would have something to do and then people would be able to gear up for coil in CT making the earlier terms easier.

[Klutz64]

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YEAH! YOU TELL HER! People with a life and responsibilities shouldn't be able to experience the same game as those who can play the game all day!

[Bridgeburner]

I play because I'm having fun. I'm not sure there's another answer that matters.

[Senzura]

I play because I'm having fun. I'm not sure there's another answer that matters.

No, you need to justify yourself to OP, otherwise you're not allowed to enjoy the game

[Zormikal]

No, you need to justify yourself to OP, otherwise you're not allowed to enjoy the game

Justify? OP? Lol ok why would you have to justify a question.
You either respond or not.
From what ive seen so far from most people play to have fun friends game experience which is great and why i play .
, Havent seen 1 post from those. I was hoping to see post. But if majority is happy this is good .
Thank you all for your response .

[Senzura]

Justify? OP? Lol ok why would you have to justify a question.
You either respond or not.
From what ive seen so far from most people play to have fun friends game experience which is great and why i play .
, Havent seen 1 post from those. I was hoping to see post. But if majority is happy this is good .
Thank you all for your response .

This post was barely english

[CyanDvai]

People should learn to write in paragraphs. It makes your posts so much easier to read. Do 3 or 4 lines and then a break, WoT is painful.