10 steps to being a bad PLD

[Murakami]

I agree on all points,except the Number 1.
From what I've noticed people do not seem very inclined to communicate;
Most people : DPS start to pull mobs
Healer or DPS change my order of the monster marked
DPS who spam AOE skill
ecc

I tryed to explain all this is not really good,almost time i was insulted or treated with silence.
Now i really don't care about the behavior of the other party members,i simply try to do my best for keep alive all.
i'm sure i will get better with the time,not sure about those player,who play the game with nonsense just for evade some boring times.
(Please forget my english)..

[CyanDvai]

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I didn't think about running behind the First Boss of AK to avoid his thunder spell. I usually use Spirits Within and silence it when the skill is up and I attempt to stun his Mind Meld every chance I get.

[Nichigo]

7) Don't follow provoke up with a shield lob or combo'd Rage of Halone

If the mob is within range, I would usually RoH (non-combo) after provoke. I was under the impression it generated more enmity than shield lob (and it's faster than waiting 5 seconds for the combo while your healer is being eaten alive). Seems to work ok up to this point.

Am I doing it wrong?

NOTE: this is the only time I use RoH non-combo'd lol.

[Sephirah]

If the mob is within range, I would usually RoH (non-combo) after provoke. I was under the impression it generated more enmity than shield lob (and it's faster than waiting 5 seconds for the combo while your healer is being eaten alive). Seems to work ok up to this point.

Am I doing it wrong?

NOTE: this is the only time I use RoH non-combo'd lol.

You're absolutely right to want to provoke the enemy off your healer right away, but if you don't have a combo'd Rage of Halone ready to use immediately, and you'd need to do the full combo first, a shield lob would be better than a non-combo'd rage, simply because you won't need to run to the enemy. It will still be a good idea to hit it with a combo'd rage before switching to another target again.

But yes you are correct a non-combo'd rage of halone will still generate more enmity than just shield lob.

Shield Lob generates enmity equal to damage times 6
Rage of Halone generates enmity equal to damage times 10

So just testing on a lightning sprite in Mor Dhona, my non-combo'd rage of halone generated 800 enmity, a shield lob generates around 540, and a combo'd rage of halone generates around 3000. These numbers will obviously be higher/lower depending on your gear/buffs.

You can check enmity tables here:
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=231

[zdub303]

There are also the ones who use Riot Blade -> Flash over and over. Those are a treat.

For what its worth... when you're tanking 6-8 mobs at a time in WP, this is the most effective method of retaining agro. Maybe drop a savage blade on targets that getting a little low in health (and likely higher in agro).

[BillySlippyfists]

I got PLD to 50 Monday and started doing AK cause I had almost all Hopelite gear and I marked mobs 1-3 and the DPS still would do there own thing its BS so I stopped wasting time and added marking1 to Shield Lob.

Also people who have Relic+1 should know better.

Had the exact same thing happen to me the other night. When the dps grabbed aggro away from me by attacking a different mob than what was marked they called me a bad tank X) yea..... I said ok...later guys and I just left DF

[Nova_Dresden]

I'll add a 14th: eating avoidable casts. In AK, the first boss regularly casts Void Thunder that can be dodged by just running behind the boss during the ability's 3 second cast, and I've seen *so* many PLD tanks just eat it because "the healer will take care of it" (it's the only major source of tank damage in the entire fight; if you avoid that and interrupt Mind Melt, like the tank *should* be since it's on a 30 sec CD just like Brutal Swing, the healer can DPS pretty much the *entire* fight).

For PLD just don't use Spirits Within during the rotation. First Thunder you can hit spirits off the GCD, silence and interrupt, then keep going with your rotation. Next Thunder use Shield Bash, but if your GCD locked then run behind and LoS the spell. You can NEVER trust positioning or casting bars on this game with the horrible latency issues some players have. Some moves I'm so far away from the red-marked area on the ground that I may as well be in Narnia, but the game still thinks I'm standing in front of the boss like an idiot because of latency. I'll take my chances with instant stuns/silences instead of hoping the server knows I'm actually standing behind him.

I got PLD to 50 Monday and started doing AK cause I had almost all Hopelite gear and I marked mobs 1-3 and the DPS still would do there own thing its BS so I stopped wasting time and added marking1 to Shield Lob.

Also people who have Relic+1 should know better.

All DPS should know to gauge their tank's gear and damage accordingly. New tanks in AF with no relic will almost never be able to keep hate against you spamming AoEs, spreading DoTs everywhere, or single-target killing the wrong marked target.

[Raminax]

Shield Lob generates enmity equal to damage times 6
Rage of Halone generates enmity equal to damage times 10

I was under the impression that Shield Lob had an enmity modifier of 3 and Rage of Halone 5?

Or is that with Shield Oath active? Because I heard not too long ago that Shield Oath gives just enough bonus enmity to offset the damage loss of using it. At least it has felt that way when I've been DPSing with Sword Oath active against tanking Paladins with more or less equal gear while interrupting Eruptions on Ifrit. I always have to hold back with the usual 123 business.

[Grailer]

Playing Warrior makes me play my PLD bad.

Warrior seems so much easier to hold trash agro in speed runs .

When I play paladin I just feel im working my ass off to keep agro.

Boss fights are a lot easier on PLD but not actually much easier .



PLD has 1 thing going and that is immunity to damage for 10 seconds . Very powerful move . WAR doesn't get anything near as good .

[Sephirah]

I was under the impression that Shield Lob had an enmity modifier of 3 and Rage of Halone 5?

Or is that with Shield Oath active?

That's with shield oath. Shield Oath doubles the multiplier, so the 5 multiplier on rage turns into 10. You can see the enmity tables in the link I put in the last post.