Summoner Info and Tips!

[xxalucard]

As long as you command your summon to Obey at least once in its life time, it will never use any other skill besides its first basic attack until you command it to do so!

Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

[glim]

on the link, the "super summoner opener"

he's telling you to swiftcast ifrit after contagion to get a higher damage enkindle and recast garuda again after swift cast is off cooldown, you are spending 1000 mana for an extra 300 damage, actually, it won't even be a damage increase, because during that 1 minute of waiting for swift cast, garuda would have already outdpsed ifrit by garuda's autoattacks by more than 300 damage. you're really just wasting 1000 mana and swiftcast cooldowns.

reference

Raging Strike, apply DoTs then Contagion.
Once Contagion lands, Swiftcast Ifrit out.
Command him to OBEY and grant him Rouse and Spur.
Once he has both buffs, Enkindle the boss.
Once both Rouse and Spur fall off of Ifrit, wait for Swiftcast and summon Garuda once again!

[Deepsixeden]

on the link, the "super summoner opener"

he's telling you to swiftcast ifrit after contagion to get a higher damage enkindle and recast garuda again after swift cast is off cooldown, you are spending 1000 mana for an extra 300 damage, actually, it won't even be a damage increase, because during that 1 minute of waiting for swift cast, garuda would have already outdpsed ifrit by garuda's autoattacks by more than 300 damage. you're really just wasting 1000 mana and swiftcast cooldowns.

I agree with you completely.

For an extra 300-ish damage at such a high cost, the opener can be sometimes taxing and not worth it. I tend to do it in dungeons for the fun of it mainly, I could not see this being as effective in Coil. You may need the swiftcast for a rez or something later on!

But either way, being all fancy and flashy on a dungeon boss can be fun.

[glim]

I agree with you completely.

For an extra 300-ish damage at such a high cost, the opener can be sometimes taxing and not worth it. I tend to do it in dungeons for the fun of it mainly, I could not see this being as effective in Coil. You may need the swiftcast for a rez or something later on!

But either way, being all fancy and flashy on a dungeon boss can be fun.

oh, you're the author! saw your name riko tachibana (loljapav)

but glad you're taking criticisms well, I guess for 'fanciness' sake, pet switching might look cool, but even if it's not mana wise, I think it's still diminishing your dps because garuda does higher single target damage than ifrit and ifrit will be up for 1 minute during the time you're waiting for swiftcast cd.

edit: not to mention, you'll be spending 2 gcds, which equates to two ruins.

[glim]

also on the link, the guide tells you to bio2 , miasma , thunder, then bio, this is bad and especially for the opener, you want to bio first before you thunder, so you can fester earlier, if you thunder first, you would have little to no chance for your next fester to cast it with raging strikes up.

edit: correct opener would be, bio2 >miasma>bio (fester during bio recast time)>thunder

reference:

Always start with Bio II, since it is the longest lasting DoT and ending with Bio since it is instant cast!

[Deepsixeden]

also on the link, the guide tells you to bio2 , miasma 2, thunder, then bio, this is bad and especially for the opener, you want to bio first before you thunder, so you can fester earlier, if you thunder first, you would have little to no chance for your next fester to cast it with raging strikes up.

reference:

True true. Getting a second Fester into an opener would be much better than applying Thunder a few seconds a tiny bit earlier. Nice catch!

[pandabearcat]

One thing I found is your guide was hard to read as things were split up into long paragraphs instead of lists and rotation info.

Its much harder to read "Cast all the Summoner specific DoTs onto that mob as long is it is not about to die, and BANE the DoTs to the surrounding enemies!"

than "For AoE, do this:"

[Bio II] > [Miasma] > [Bio | Contagion | Swiftcast] > [Shadowflare | Bane] (if contagion applied) > [Miasma II | Bane]

Then Thunder tab target for high HP mobs < 8 targets, Tri-Disaster otherwise.

A bit too many exclamation points for my tastes =)

[Deepsixeden]

One thing I found is your guide was hard to read as things were split up into long paragraphs instead of lists and rotation info.

Its much harder to read "Cast all the Summoner specific DoTs onto that mob as long is it is not about to die, and BANE the DoTs to the surrounding enemies!"

than "For AoE, do this:"

[Bio II] > [Miasma] > [Bio | Contagion | Swiftcast] > [Shadowflare | Bane] (if contagion applied) > [Miasma II | Bane]

Then Thunder tab target for high HP mobs < 8 targets, Tri-Disaster otherwise.

A bit too many exclamation points for my tastes =)

Yes, im sorry about the layout. I tend to write guides and such in a conversational manner. makes it seem less serious and more casually talking to someone about a class. but thats just me!

[GameGeeks]

Don't get the point of so many Banes. The 15% chance to reset the DoTs isn't worth burning stacks. Better to use Fester instead of bane. Besides it's not a bad idea to go to the second target do Swiftcast ->Shadowflare -> Bio II -> Miasma -> Thunder -> Bio -> Contagion -> Bane, then switch to the main target and thunder then fester it before going to the third target and thundering it along with a refresh of Bio. At that point I find the second target is mostly dead and I just burn it down and then reapply the DoTs on the third target if needed then Bane if able or just go to the other targets and manually apply the dots. That 15% chance on Bane just isn't worth the stack it costs.

[glim]

Don't get the point of so many Banes. The 15% chance to reset the DoTs isn't worth burning stacks. Better to use Fester instead of bane. Besides it's not a bad idea to go to the second target do Swiftcast ->Shadowflare -> Bio II -> Miasma -> Thunder -> Bio -> Contagion -> Bane, then switch to the main target and thunder then fester it before going to the third target and thundering it along with a refresh of Bio. At that point I find the second target is mostly dead and I just burn it down and then reapply the DoTs on the third target if needed then Bane if able or just go to the other targets and manually apply the dots. That 15% chance on Bane just isn't worth the stack it costs.

I don't think anyone here said use bane to reset the dots.