Question about Stuns

[Borthras]

Please ignore this gentlemen... Its this mentality that has caused several threads about asshat tanks already. Tanks are there to "facilitate success" not flex their tiny epeen so everyone knows they're in charge.

No one is flexing an epeen here, just telling it like it is after tanking in mmo's the last... going on 10 years now. Everyone looks to the tank to know every fight, know the correct positioning and how to react to situations. I'm not saying they are the only person who CAN, I'm saying in DF groups and pugs, that is the case most of the time. And if your success hinges on controlling an aspect of the fight in which you have the tools to facilitate it, it very well should be your primary responsibility - protecting yourself and the group.

[CyanDvai]

with one stun resisting on the first half of the fight. I have done the fight multi times and seems it is in the same time frame everytime.

I've done the fight dozens of times with perfect stuns, the only time I usually get resisted during the time frame you're talking about is with melee dps (drg / mnk)
Often times they have a skill that has a stun effect in their rotations and they forget to not use it.
Runs where I'm with mostly caster classes I've never had that issue.

[xRitzx]

Kosmos, You don't have everyone stun because if everyone stuns too much, the stuns won't work. Up to Titan, you will only be on stun duty for Ifrit and Chimera so you're MT or OT majority of the time in end game.

CK11, only stun eruptions and have your team dodge the plumes. Even though stuns become resisted over time, they also have a cool down where the resist goes away.

[CyanDvai]

only stun eruptions and have your team dodge the plumes. Even though stuns become resisted over time, they also have a cool down where the resist goes away.

Good point, I just assumed they knew to only stun eruptions and not plumes. If you are stunning plumes then yes, you will sometimes get a resist on the eruptions.

[xRitzx]

the only time I usually get resisted during the time frame you're talking about is with melee dps (drg / mnk)
Often times they have a skill that has a stun effect in their rotations and they forget to not use it.

This is also true. I forgot about melee DPS having a stun move they sometimes use in rotations. Melee DPS that stun can definitely cause resisted stuns. So if you're only stunning eruptions and still getting resisted, ask the party to only let you stun so no resists happen.

[Kosmos992k]

only stun eruptions and have your team dodge the plumes. Even though stuns become resisted over time, they also have a cool down where the resist goes away.

Good point, I just assumed they knew to only stun eruptions and not plumes. If you are stunning plumes then yes, you will sometimes get a resist on the eruptions.

I knew that you only stun on particular attacks to avoid the resistance issue, and not waste a stun on something that can be dodged. Having not run HM Ifrit yet, I wasn't sure which were which. Thanks to you both for the help.

I forgot about melee DPS having a stun move they sometimes use in rotations. Melee DPS that stun can definitely cause resisted stuns. So if you're only stunning eruptions and still getting resisted, ask the party to only let you stun so no resists happen.

Oh, that's interesting, I would not have thought to do that, thanks!

[Orophin]

It's called path of least resistance. People would rather use one class that can stun every GCD than trying to set up some kind of stun rotation between 2-3 classes, especially in a DF situation. Paladin is good for Ifrit and Chimera because they can singlehandedly stun every Eruption and stun Voice of the Dragon/rotate silences on Voice of the Ram with a Bard.

It's really only a couple of fights where this really stands out. Every other fight you're expected to perform normal tank duties. These just happen to be a situation where you don't *need* two tanks, but DF requires you to have two anyway (well, Chimera isn't DF fight, but people still prefer a Paladin for interrupts) so someone is more or less going to be relegated to stun duty.

I cringe the few times I've been paired up with two WARs in Ifrit, but at least half of the attempts they work out a stun rotation and it goes well. You HAVE to get off a certain amount of stuns to fill up your LB bar to easily take out the nails in Ifrit, otherwise you hope and pray you take down enough nails to fill up the LB bar near the end and the tank LB will save you.

[CK11]

Yeah, im only stunnig eruptions (interrupt the eruptions) easy to remember. I dont remember if i had those set ups during the fight but i will pay attention more to that. I dont feel it is someone else using the ability....it is the same eruption every time...i just hope it isnt that i have become custom to being late on the same eruption every time >.< lol Oh and curious does everyones battle info appear on the log, could i go back through and see if someone stunned?

[KogaDrake]

I'm NOT standing and auto attacking, nor do I want to - that was the whole point of the post. I'm asking the question because i have been told by several end-game players that when I get to Ifrit, THAT will be my job.

As CyanDvai says though, learn the patters and stun while tanking - which is what I will do.

While other classes have stuns, PLD has the only one that I can think of with a 2.5sec cooldown. WAR has a stun with a longer animation making it more likely to not go off in time and also has a 30sec cooldown so we can not get every one. Other jobs are in the same situation of not being able to get every stun, something a PLD can do.

Is it required that the PLD does it? no, but it is always easier and more reliable to have a single person doing it then a rotation (someone goes out of order and messes all up), and this is even more visible when in a pug and limited communication.

Also, Ifrit and Chimera are basically the only 2 fights in game with this stun bot mechanic (and not even fights worth doing that many times), so its not like its your roll for life at end game anyways.

[Shinkyo]

Aside from Ifrit and Chimera, I haven't seen much fights where stun is that critical. Am I missing something?
I beat Ifrit in a 2 War party and it was really fun. Requires a lot of coordination and there's high risk of being out of sync if someone missed but I had a lot of fun doing it this way.

Plus on Ifrit, the eruptions are really predictable so you know when to go all out and when to slow down a bit on combos and get ready for Stun.
I personally really enjoy to interrupt skills, gives me the impression that I'm really in control of the fight and that I'm supporting my group big time.

That's why I'm complaining so much about the Titan fight, there's nothing for us tanks to do aside from standing in one place and being a meat shield. In Ifrit, we are key for interrupting eruptions. In Garuda, we are key for proper positioning and movement of the overall party. In titan, there isn't much we can do to contribute to the success of the fight.