Question about Stuns

[Kosmos992k]

Folks, what is the deal with taking one of the most important roles in a fight and relegating it to stun-bot?

I was under the impression that all classes/jobs in the DoW/DoM trees have a stun or interrupt ability, so pray tell me why parties expect a Paladin to kinda just hand around auto-attacking and whip out Shield Bash at just the right moment. I mean, are all the other stun/interrupt moves suddenly invalid, and only Paladin can stun?

Perhaps I am just not getting this, but it seems to me that with 8 players there are 8 people with the ability to stun/interrupt, and if all 8 keep an eye on the AoEs, and use their abilities appropriately, it won't be necessary for the tank to disengage their brain stem to play.

[CyanDvai]

Some jobs have a longer cooldown. Our stun is on GCD so we can use it ever 2.5 seconds.
Also with DPS I would rather have them focus on killing Ifrit, avoid using their stuns and make sure the nails are down.
Once you know the timing and patterns of Ifrit you can actually use your skills, and once you're good enough you can solo tank and stun Ifrit.
I haven't solo'd tank him from the beginning yet, but I've picked up Ifrit after the War/Pld tank died and tank over half the fight while stunning.

I know it's a boring ass job, but I would rather have one person (who doesn't do much dps) focus on getting every stun then taking the chance of a dps doing it and not having their stun available because they just used a skill.

[Kosmos992k]

Some jobs have a longer cooldown. Our stun is on GCD so we can use it ever 2.5 seconds.
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I know it's a boring ass job, but I would rather have one person (who doesn't do much dps) focus on getting every stun then taking the chance of a dps doing it and not having their stun available because they just used a skill.

Thanks for the information, though I point out that even though our (Paladin) stun is on GCD, it's useless after 3 uses. This whole stunbot thing is something that is yet another turn off to many playing Tank. Personally I'm committed to the role, but I can totally see why Paladins are unhappy at end-game. They get blame, horrible looking armor (DL) and mindless stun-botting. I guess I better learn the patters quickly and hope that people trust me when i tell them "I got this...."

Is there no utility to any of the other classes stuns/interrupts?

[PessimiStick]

Why are you stnading around autoattacking? I tank and stun at the same time. If you're standing around doing nothing, that's on you, not the group.

[Kosmos992k]

Why are you stnading around autoattacking? I tank and stun at the same time. If you're standing around doing nothing, that's on you, not the group.

I'm NOT standing and auto attacking, nor do I want to - that was the whole point of the post. I'm asking the question because i have been told by several end-game players that when I get to Ifrit, THAT will be my job.

As CyanDvai says though, learn the patters and stun while tanking - which is what I will do.

[KogaDrake]

I'm NOT standing and auto attacking, nor do I want to - that was the whole point of the post. I'm asking the question because i have been told by several end-game players that when I get to Ifrit, THAT will be my job.

As CyanDvai says though, learn the patters and stun while tanking - which is what I will do.

While other classes have stuns, PLD has the only one that I can think of with a 2.5sec cooldown. WAR has a stun with a longer animation making it more likely to not go off in time and also has a 30sec cooldown so we can not get every one. Other jobs are in the same situation of not being able to get every stun, something a PLD can do.

Is it required that the PLD does it? no, but it is always easier and more reliable to have a single person doing it then a rotation (someone goes out of order and messes all up), and this is even more visible when in a pug and limited communication.

Also, Ifrit and Chimera are basically the only 2 fights in game with this stun bot mechanic (and not even fights worth doing that many times), so its not like its your roll for life at end game anyways.

[Borthras]

If you are tanking then you are pretty much a designated leader. Say what you will, that's what it usually comes down to. If you have no desire to lead a dungeon run or take charge of a group, play a DPS.

Controlling the fight is the tanks job. And if interrupting is an extremely important part of the fight, then since you are the most important role in a fight (in your own selfish words, since you can obviously kill everything just being a tank and don't need a team) you should get the most important responsibility of interrupting.

[Zoomie]

If you are tanking then you are pretty much a designated leader. Say what you will, that's what it usually comes down to.

Please ignore this gentlemen... Its this mentality that has caused several threads about asshat tanks already. Tanks are there to "facilitate success" not flex their tiny epeen so everyone knows they're in charge.

[Borthras]

Please ignore this gentlemen... Its this mentality that has caused several threads about asshat tanks already. Tanks are there to "facilitate success" not flex their tiny epeen so everyone knows they're in charge.

No one is flexing an epeen here, just telling it like it is after tanking in mmo's the last... going on 10 years now. Everyone looks to the tank to know every fight, know the correct positioning and how to react to situations. I'm not saying they are the only person who CAN, I'm saying in DF groups and pugs, that is the case most of the time. And if your success hinges on controlling an aspect of the fight in which you have the tools to facilitate it, it very well should be your primary responsibility - protecting yourself and the group.

[Kosmos992k]

And if interrupting is an extremely important part of the fight, then since you are the most important role in a fight (in your own selfish words, since you can obviously kill everything just being a tank and don't need a team) you should get the most important responsibility of interrupting.

Learn to read and not patronize. I said "one of the most important roles", name me another role other than healer that will result in a wipe if they fall.