Musings on the DoH endgame in FFXIV

[Quesse]

That's sad because it's a catch 22:

They made a crafting system that could essentially be a class progress of its own and their ideology is not there. It's almost like they dangled a carrot in front of a horse and the horse honestly sees the treat but never will get it.

I dunno, since the days of Ultima Online, I've yearned for a game that has a great battle system and class system but, as well, an economy based on players and the crafting/gathering class. Maybe seeing the system as strong as it is being thought about as an afterthought more than anything is frustrating.

What is frustrating about this is that you're not the only one. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way because Yoshi and others focus on PVE/Endgame/DoW/M and say this is where the focus is. Well, sure, that is where the focus becomes. Meanwhile there is a huge vacuum for in-depth meaningful crafting/gathering content. So we see no real innovation in the progression of DoH/L and then Yoshi ends up saying - Look people are not really that interested in crafting/gathering. >.>

[Xystic]

Once you hit 50 in all crafts you have zero advantage over anyone else with the same

Even with specialization, you are still at zero advantage. It is only possible if you limit the number of people specializing or if you are the only one which highly is unlikely.

We also have to keep in mind that the goal of the game is to save the world. I do agree with professions providing up to par but slightly less from endgame content material. Allowing BIS items to crafting professions will result in everyone raiding professions and not saving the world. This has been seen in many other large MMOs. This is a no no.

Yoshi and others focus on PVE/Endgame/DoW/M and say this is where the focus is.

Because you must produce a source of consumption first before you can focus on professions. If no one is consuming your goods, they are worth nothing and they pile up.

[Nenin]

Even with specialization, you are still at zero advantage. It is only possible if you limit the number of people specializing or if you are the only one which highly is unlikely.

We also have to keep in mind that the goal of the game is to save the world. I do agree with professions providing up to par but slightly less from endgame content material. Allowing BIS items to crafting professions will result in everyone raiding professions and not saving the world. This has been seen in many other large MMOs. This is a no no.

Yea what I meant with the job idea is you pick one of the 2 or 3 options for each class. Not the battle system where you can max out every job, these would be mutually exclusive.

I don't think you need to limit endgame crafting just so DOW/DOM don't feel useless. The way it is currently there is NO endgame for crafters, but there is for rich crafters who also play DOW/DOM. The highest item level you can get for crafting gear is 55 and you have no wiggle room with any item except materia choices for your HQ militia offhand.

Meanwhile battle classes have a lvl 55 job set, a lvl 55 crafted set, a lvl 70 tome set, a lvl 70 crafted set, a lvl 90 tome set, tons of 50-90 offset pieces, and lvl 80 gear on the way.

I just want a longterm goal for crafters. Even if it's a purely cosmetic change like the luminary tools that's something.