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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codek View Post
    You math seems off...
    He was close though. On release, Molten Core had 10 bosses and Onyxia's Lair had 1. 11 end game raid bosses that were available day 1.

    For dungeons. You had Upper Blackrock Spire and Lower Blackrock Spire, Scholomance, and Stratholme (which was really two dungeons tbh undead side and live side). Any of those dungeons took quite a while to complete and had some difficulty to them for quite a while. Unlike the snoozefest/faceroll that is AK/WP.

    You know what most people consider the downfall of WoW? Wrath... you know.. when they nerfed the game to hell and made it faceroll easy... kinda like how FF14 is atm.
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  2. #122
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    Quote Originally Posted by zdub303 View Post
    He was close though. On release, Molten Core had 10 bosses and Onyxia's Lair had 1. 11 end game raid bosses that were available day 1.

    For dungeons. You had Upper Blackrock Spire and Lower Blackrock Spire, Scholomance, and Stratholme (which was really two dungeons tbh undead side and live side). Any of those dungeons took quite a while to complete and had some difficulty to them for quite a while. Unlike the snoozefest/faceroll that is AK/WP.

    You know what most people consider the downfall of WoW? Wrath... you know.. when they nerfed the game to hell and made it faceroll easy... kinda like how FF14 is atm.
    Actually Wrath is widely regarded as the best point. Not just in subscription peak but in content involvement. It had a prime character as the main antagonist, undead theme, and had a greater access to casual play. You'd be quite ignorant to think any of those things are bad to most people these days.

    Wrath was the downfall of the game to people who seek a closer-knit community, one where hardcore players truly shined, or where there was SLIGHTLY more punishment seen as a good thing. These people are a significant minority in MMORPGs. I fall in-between the bunch, loved the punishing nature of FFXI, but also loved the facerolling of WoW. I play games for them being what they are, not what I project them to be.
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  3. #123
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codek View Post
    You math seems off...
    Coil has 3 bosses, Cadecus, ADS, and Twintania. Molten core had 10 bosses. 3 * 3 = 9, that's over triple the amount of bosses in the release raids of both games.

    Clearing molten core to the final boss also didn't take 45 mins, no matter how well you knew the fights, something which my group has been able to do after a single week of clearing turn 1 - > 4 ONCE. Ragnarok and twintania are both equally challenging fights, but that's all coil has going for it, a single final boss.

    This isn't even getting into how WOW shipped with Stratholme(Two dungeons in one), Scholomance and LBRS/UBRS at release for non-raid dungeons.
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    Last edited by Shiyo; 10-30-2013 at 10:50 AM.

  4. #124
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    WoW was garbage when it launched.
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  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roris View Post
    But ARR is just new and released nevermind the previous version being up for 2 years and having more content by the end that could have been relatively easily ported to the new engine that's missing and didn't get in but hey we got minions and mounts instead. But MMOs are just in their infancy right, nevermind games from 10+ years ago having more endgame and people expecting more quality and content from modern MMOs no matter how rocky their development was.

    B-b-but entitlement! B-b-but my blind love for everything Final Fantasy!
    FFXIV ARR is not new it is a re-released of a failed game. ARR has all the same content of 1.0 except a few bosses that they left out.
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  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by reality_check View Post
    THE GAME IS TWO MONTHS OLD.

    ugh.
    Yeah and?
    I am starting to feel like this game needed a few more months of love before they released it.
    Not trying to be a DebbieDowner but the game is lacking many things. I think SE is playing extremely safe because of what happened before. There so much problems though too, like lag...Oh God LAG.

    @Blowfin.
    Your post is rude and says nothing productive at all.
    Don't tell me what to do you big meanie, I want this game be a great hit, not this same Merry-Go-Round of a MMO.
    If I have something to say, I will. Telling me to leave is silly and if people who did have something to say, always get shoo'd
    away this game will go down the drain. So thanks for the inspiring comment. Part of the reason 1.0 died because they wouldn't listen to the community.
    You want that to happen again?
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    Last edited by Arriverderci; 10-30-2013 at 10:59 AM.

  7. #127
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    I agree .. the way the endgame was setup was horrible. And far more people will quit between now and 2.1 than they will gain after 2.1
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  8. #128
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltzkin View Post
    Not to mention there should be a whole world out there to explore, where there are dangers, there is a purpose to exploring because you never know what you might or might not find out there and it should take time because it is so huge and there is so much to see.
    THIS!!!
    Its not just about the endgame. I wouldnt mind to wait for patches if Eorzea kept me busy.
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  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Coil has 3 bosses, Cadecus, ADS, and Twintania. Molten core had 10 bosses. 3 * 3 = 9, that's over triple the amount of bosses in the release raids of both games.

    Clearing molten core to the final boss also didn't take 45 mins, no matter how well you knew the fights, something which my group has been able to do after a single week of clearing turn 1 - > 4 ONCE. Ragnarok and twintania are both equally challenging fights, but that's all coil has going for it, a single final boss.

    This isn't even getting into how WOW shipped with Stratholme(Two dungeons in one), Scholomance and LBRS/UBRS at release for non-raid dungeons.
    I think the main question is why you feel a need to be arguing about WoW in comparison to FFXIV? Different developers, different philosophies, different company, different game. None of that screams that this game must be like WoW in content availability at every single stage of development. If you don't want to go play WoW, you need to remember that you're not playing WoW LOL.

    I hope you don't compare everything you ever encounter to something you feel should be the shining example that everyone should strive for. You'd be living a really boring and judgmental life if you do.
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  10. #130
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    You don't need a full set of myth gear to run Coils dum-dumb. You need a raiding group that is organised and plays well to tackle the content.

    If you haven't even done raiding, and haven't even completed more than Turn 1 of Coils what the hell are you talking about? Learn to play your class instead of relying on 300 myth a week to buffer your poor playing abilities.
    Are you kidding? I clear 1-3 each week. I said needing myth because you said turn 5!
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