Absence of end-game content : the downfall of every MMO.

[Aragor]

you go into EVERY new MMO knowing that every MMO starts with little endgame and get upset when there isnt endgame? Unless a new MMO actually states they are changing the endgame system with lots to do at release, why would you expect anything else? And even if they did would you truly expect that it would be filled with a ton of content to keep a hardcore player busy all week?

I understand what you mean and I'm not that hardcore neither was I expecting TONS of stuff to do. Still, compare this game to the gold standard : WoW.

Dungeons.
Farming AK or CM VS UBRD/LBRD, Scholo, Stratholme.

Raiding.
Coil : 4 pretty short turns with a 5th broken one.
MC : Over 10 bosses (with much more interesting mechanics let's be honest).

What came in the first serious content patch.
Crystal Tower : can't speak too fast from what we haven't experienced, but from what they've said, it's gonna be welfare gear for those who can't handle Coil.
BWL : how awesome was this place seriously?

My main point isn't really that RIGHT AWAY there wasn't a lot of stuff to do, but mainly that was is in the pipeline for further content patches is futile (housing, dailies) or isn't going to last more than a week (CT). I LOVED that game going from 1 to 50, I'm just disapointed the fun didn't last past that.

[Seig345]

[...]but from what they've said, it's gonna be welfare gear for those who can't handle Coil. [...]

I can't speak for the rest of this, but you phrase that like they're bringing in Crystal Tower -because- of the ridiculous grind for gear to make you fit for Coil, but that's the opposite of the actual reason. That "hardcore" grind for gear to get into coil, was only there because Crystal Tower was postponed from launch. The rest of the game content was designed with the plan of having Crystal Tower there from day one. Everyone seems to be complaining and somehow stumped about the 'new' dungeon being a step 'backwards' when in truth it's simply the left foot catching up with the right in terms of what was supposed to be part of the content we currently have.

If that's not how you were trying to phrase it, then, just ignore this post and carry on. ;p

[Raiz_Cineris]

What came in the first serious content patch.
Crystal Tower : can't speak too fast from what we haven't experienced, but from what they've said, it's gonna be welfare gear for those who can't handle Coil.

TBH you can downplay the content all you want but as it stands there is only one group that has completed turn 5 of coil. That is the ultimate goal here isnt it? Beat the hardest content in game? So if you havent done that how is that there isnt enough content in game when you have yet to finish it?

[KogaDrake]

I understand what you mean and I'm not that hardcore neither was I expecting TONS of stuff to do. Still, compare this game to the gold standard : WoW.

Love when people look at fresh new MMO vs the 10years of developing "Gold standard" that is WoW... WoW was nothing even close to what people say it was at release and had little content and only got better with time, something that FFXIV has yet to have to know what will happen... Also, 2.1 is not really the first major content patch as its mostly adding in the stuff that was planned for release but was held back a bit rather then holding back the release...

[Tiggy]

Coil : 4 pretty short turns with a 5th broken one.

Then explain to me how BlueGartr beat it? Sounds like you're group is too unskilled to pull it off therefore it MUST be broken. -_-

[Swishytail]

I understand what you mean and I'm not that hardcore neither was I expecting TONS of stuff to do. Still, compare this game to the gold standard : WoW.

Dungeons.
Farming AK or CM VS UBRD/LBRD, Scholo, Stratholme.

Raiding.
Coil : 4 pretty short turns with a 5th broken one.
MC : Over 10 bosses (with much more interesting mechanics let's be honest).

What came in the first serious content patch.
Crystal Tower : can't speak too fast from what we haven't experienced, but from what they've said, it's gonna be welfare gear for those who can't handle Coil.
BWL : how awesome was this place seriously?

My main point isn't really that RIGHT AWAY there wasn't a lot of stuff to do, but mainly that was is in the pipeline for further content patches is futile (housing, dailies) or isn't going to last more than a week (CT). I LOVED that game going from 1 to 50, I'm just disapointed the fun didn't last past that.

I stopped reading at this. Not only because the WoW comparisons are making me throw up every
time I read them, but claiming Turn 5 is broken after it was just beaten legit a few days ago.

[Welsper59]

I understand what you mean and I'm not that hardcore neither was I expecting TONS of stuff to do. Still, compare this game to the gold standard : WoW.

Dungeons.
Farming AK or CM VS UBRD/LBRD, Scholo, Stratholme.

Raiding.
Coil : 4 pretty short turns with a 5th broken one.
MC : Over 10 bosses (with much more interesting mechanics let's be honest).

What came in the first serious content patch.
Crystal Tower : can't speak too fast from what we haven't experienced, but from what they've said, it's gonna be welfare gear for those who can't handle Coil.
BWL : how awesome was this place seriously?

My main point isn't really that RIGHT AWAY there wasn't a lot of stuff to do, but mainly that was is in the pipeline for further content patches is futile (housing, dailies) or isn't going to last more than a week (CT). I LOVED that game going from 1 to 50, I'm just disapointed the fun didn't last past that.

There's so much to point out about this. I'll just start with how you're comparing the two games while PURPOSELY looking at FFXIV in a negative light and ONLY looking at WoW in a positive one. Based on that I'm willing to bet that you weren't really there for WoW launch, or perhaps weren't there for the early stages of those raids. I'll just say, it wasn't as smooth as you think it was.

You might be pointing out that you "can't speak too fast from what we haven't experienced" but you're stating your point as though it were facts anyway. Doomsday talk and all that lol.

[samfisher]

I understand what you mean and I'm not that hardcore neither was I expecting TONS of stuff to do. Still, compare this game to the gold standard : WoW.

Dungeons.
Farming AK or CM VS UBRD/LBRD, Scholo, Stratholme.

Raiding.
Coil : 4 pretty short turns with a 5th broken one.
MC : Over 10 bosses (with much more interesting mechanics let's be honest).

Also WoW took a freakin age to develop vs the couple of years FFXIV ARR was in full development.

[Mihlo]

~snip~
Dungeons.
Farming AK or CM VS UBRD/LBRD, Scholo, Stratholme.

Raiding.
Coil : 4 pretty short turns with a 5th broken one.
MC : Over 10 bosses (with much more interesting mechanics let's be honest).
~snip~

You are comparing AK and WP, 4 man minor instances to BRD, Scholomance, and Stratholme, which at launch were 10 man "Raids", hell they were unintentional 40 man "Raids" until Patch 1.3 which set a hard cap at 10 players for those 3 instances.

Endgame for a fresh 60 consisted of repeatedly running Stratholme and BRD until your eyes bled out and the gear you needed dropped, there were no "welfare" tomes of philosophy to trade for raid level gear.

Once you got your gear, all you had to pick from was Onyxia and Molten Core. That was endgame in Vanilla until Patch 1.6, which added Blackwing Lair, 8 months after launch.

Turn 5 has been downed, so its not broken, buggy yes, broken no.

[zdub303]

Once you got your gear, all you had to pick from was Onyxia and Molten Core. That was endgame in Vanilla until Patch 1.6, which added Blackwing Lair, over a year and a half after launch.

It was about 8 months or so, not a year and a half. Nov 2004 release and 1.6.1 was July 2005.