Absence of end-game content : the downfall of every MMO.

[zdub303]

Number of bosses isn't a meaningful statistic (Also, people are getting it wrong, as ADS is also in turn 1; technically turn 2 is actually 2-5 mini boss fights in addition to the actual main boss- only a couple of the MC bosses are anywhere on the order of any of Coil's bosses)

FFXIV's dungeons don't feel as substantial only because they don't have anywhere near the amount of trash mobs that Wow dungeons have. Major encounters are a larger portion of the dungeon experience.

So I haven't been to turn 4 yet (raid group ran out of time last weekend) but my group (with two pugs no less) was able to do turns 1 and 2 in about 2 hours with 6 of us brand new to the instance. I would say anything before turn 4 is nowhere near as difficult as MC or Onyxia were at release.

[Fanelan]

Wow introduced new ways to fight bosses. Don't stand in this, dodge this, dance around the boss arena. When WoW came out, this was a new concept and everyone who played had to learn. Eventually, people got used to the mechanics and they became the new way to fight bosses. Now, these mechanics have been around for almost 10 years now, a lot of us are used to them, and this game employs a lot of them. It doesn't add anything super new, the fights just have little room for error.

Saying T1/T2 is easier than MC is a skewed statement due to the fact that we (as gamers) have had 10 years to get used to the mechanics most boss fights use. It's not a sense of the game being easier, but us being smarter. We know to dodge shit, we know how to figure out mechanics, and we also know how to youtube a lot of fights so we can watch successful people do them. We've adapted so the comparison of MC/Onyxia to Coil is pretty skewed.

[Grailer]

Here is a crazy idea . Why not help others do quests ? I know right what the hell am I talking about .. help ? no one helped me blah blah .. But I thought I would throw the idea out their . Some people do it already .

[Aleksandr]

Here is a crazy idea . Why not help others do quests ? I know right what the hell am I talking about .. help ? no one helped me blah blah .. But I thought I would throw the idea out their . Some people do it already .

I do have been for weeks, however it is odd that your response to a lack of end game content is just ignore it and keep doing what you have done.

[Astarica]

People seem to conveniently overlook that WoW originally had some pretty strict gating processes, and that bosses dropped I think 3 or 4 loots for a 40 man raid, and there was no Valor points back then. If you scale that to FF14's 8 man raids, that'd mean you kill a boss in Coil and it wouldn't even be guaranteed you'd get a piece of loot at all (because on average it's less than 1 when scaled down), and there would be no mstones at all. I'm sure progress in Coil will be greatly slowed down if you enforce those restrictions, but I don't think that'd make a better game.

[Miiu]

Gold Standard WoW ? What the...!
Like others have stated WoW had less endgame content than this game. And please please don't forget that people weren't able to run Molten Core flawlessy because of server lag/crashes/freezes until 2 month after launch. Here you can run the endgame content already without major hiccups. After that WoW released content at least 4-7 month apart. You had the occasional 2 month content patch but in all the running years of WoW it happened like 3-4 times.

The typical MMO after release is a baseline where a wide variety of content can be added on to depending on the players reactions and needs.

[EveKo]

OP You have not even stepped into Coil and you are already complaining about no end-game? Top FCs who are at turn 4 are not even complaining yet.

Seriously?

Go get your full DL gear, +1 to your relic then step into Coil, finish it then complain about not enough content

[Aragor]

OP You have not even stepped into Coil and you are already complaining about no end-game? Top FCs who are at turn 4 are not even complaining yet.

Seriously?

Go get your full DL gear, +1 to your relic then step into Coil, finish it then complain about not enough content

Seriously?

I'm up to turn 4 of Coil and I don't have the will to run those boring-@ss AK/CM non-stop for the oh-so-leet full DL most noobs brag about.

Has anybody tried the beta of Wildstar or ESO yet?

[Sayura_]

Seriously?

I'm up to turn 4 of Coil and I don't have the will to run those boring-@ss AK/CM non-stop for the oh-so-leet full DL most noobs brag about.

Has anybody tried the beta of Wildstar or ESO yet?

I tried ESO beta and stopped after the first one. Interesting skyrim-like game but not really my thing. I can see a lot of people enjoying it though.

[Damsyl]

Seriously?

I'm up to turn 4 of Coil and I don't have the will to run those boring-@ss AK/CM non-stop for the oh-so-leet full DL most noobs brag about.

Has anybody tried the beta of Wildstar or ESO yet?

You complain that this game has no content but you talk about ESO? That is laughable. ESO has even said you have around 150 hours of content. You have World vs World, or Faction vs Faction. The best gear is crafted gear, there is no dungeon gear grind AND AND AND....

They have no raids.

You know what you do after you finish your 150 hours of content? You make an alt.

If you want to have a good argument, stop mentioning games that either 1.) have had years to develop and 2.) Games that don't even support raiding or the general MMO playerbase at all. ESO has even said that they are making this game FOR THEIR FANS, not for the MMO community.