Botting his way to mining

[XiaoliVorgan]

All I got to say is this guy is still there in that same spot after a week of reporting on balmung. Reported everyday and been reported by multiple people too. I mean I know they can't get them immediately but really? Over a week of more than one person reporting them everyday and not one mod can come out and be bothered to watch him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtzAERhovPk

Just a heads up, you may want to remove your video. Last time I posted on someone elses thread about botters, I put a video of proof of those exact botters up and the entire thread got deleted and I got forum suspended for 20 days. Neat right?!

[Eight]

1) Harvesting things you have a 100% rate on naked does not make you a bot.

2) Ignoring /tells from people on a witch hunt does not make you a bot.

3) The ability to concentrate on a mundane and highly repetitive task for hours on end does not make you a bot.

I am not in any way defending people who bot, but, as so often happens in these situations, the accusation of botting is being thrown around with no .......

Pretty much and honestly if you're not botting then you're fine. Even looking at fishing which can be entirely done by controller vibration feedback. I usually like to put on a show or movie and just fish based on controller feedback. They will deal with botters all you can do is report them.

[Toranja]

Allow me to clarify by repeating myself:

I followed him around and I noticed he was always making the same set of actions and path.

The word is not "similar" or "approximate". It is "same" - exact.

And by actions, did not mean just the mining actions - the jumps and sprints were always the same. Also, he never once used Lay of the Land and knew exactly where the node was.

He was using 3rd party software for sure.

[Toranja]

I'd have to be dumb to buy a bot that bad, but that's beside my main point. It is not actual proof.

Do you know how I know someone is human?

When Y_t = Y_{t-1} + e

Do you know how I know someone is a bot?

When Y_t = Y_{t-1}

Do you know what that e is? "Errors".

[Slaxx]

What I see on my screen and what you see on your screen are not always the same thing. The errors I may make might not appear to you for a dozen different reasons.

Fun Fact: If you spent less time obsessively stalking these suspected bots in game and then taking your witch hunt to the forums you would accomplish your own goals much more quickly. Unless of course your goal is to obsessively stalk "botters" and then take your witch hunt to the forums, which would make you pathetic.

Edit: Was part of your argument really not using Lay of the Land? The ability that helps you find the nearest node? The nodes you can often see all 4 of at once on your mini-map? If not using Lay of the Land is part of your argument you are starting to look like someone who is terrible at gathering and is just jealous of people who know what they're doing.

[Kaedan94]

I followed him around and I noticed he was always making the same set of actions and path.

You do realize that that is the very definition of gathering for an experienced player, right? You learn the most efficient "path" and then repeat the same actions over and over. The only way to tell if someone is botting is if they're using teleports. And not responding to you doesn't mean they're botting either.

If you suspect someone (even if your conclusion is faulty), you can report them. SE can then investigate to see if said person was using a 3rd party program. But you clearly need to be more careful in your assessments, as your evidence does not support your conclusion.

[APilgrim]

It's pointless to report the non-teleporting bots, SE doesn't do anything that I've seen. On my server, for example, there have been the same 4 bots that have been running anytime 24/7 that I've been in that area for well over a month now (3 of them with the same FC tag). I've reported them and had conversations with others that have reported them. I remember them specifically from mid-September because the mining nodes glitched and weren't spawning in the area for a long while... when that happened, the bots kept running around pointlessly in the exact same paths/circuits over and over again without pause, apparently not finding any nodes to stop at either but continuing along completely unperturbed by the situation. The two or three of us that were actually present at our keyboards confirmed with each other that none of us could see any nodes spawning all of a sudden. Every time I go back to the area I expect to see them gone but all of were still there as of yesterday.

Wonder how many shards just 4 bots running 24/7 for 6 weeks collect?

[APilgrim]

...The only way to tell if someone is botting is if they're using teleports.

Incorrect. Go to google and look up the assortment of bots players can get for mining and botany in FFXIV. None of them advertise teleporting (I'd guess RMT mainly utilizes blatant teleporting because they don't care as much if a hacked account is banned) and all run a recorded circuit that checks hotspots for the presence of a node - it's really not that difficult to watch and differentiate between people repetitively mining/botany'ing and automated scripts that run without deviation for hours/days/weeks.

[Was editing when you responded - my point is that I disagree with your argument that it's impossible for anyone to go lookup how the bots function, their features, and then go in-game and be able to differentiate between players and bots fairly easily.]

[Kaedan94]

Incorrect. Go to google and look up the assortment of bots players can get for mining and botany in FFXIV. None of them advertise teleporting (I'd guess RMT mainly utilizes blatant teleporting because they don't care as much if a hacked account is banned).

What's your point? I didn't say the only type of bot was teleporting bot. I said the only way you can be sure someone is botting by observing alone is if they're using one of the teleport ones.

I swear, some people just like to argue for no reason.

[Zer0]

Naming is a bannable offence. We hate player bots just report them.

If they ban people for name shaming a bot but not the bot itself, I've had it with square and everything they ever make for all eternity and will boycott them for here until the end of the universe. Square has had the VERY worst handling of RMT and botting I've ever seen in a major production MMO.