Paladin Cure... Debate, warrior stuff

[Bigpurpleharness]

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It's actually ineffecient for the WHM to use their MP on a PLD, most of the time. I don't have access to my client currently, but stoneskin costs a lot of MP for a heal that's under cure's essentially. Warriors are abit of a different story, as a stoneskin on them from a WHM is worth 1260+ HP, whereas a full DL / relic +1 WHM's cure is going to be hitting for high 900's noncrit, but of course, SS can't crit either.

A Paladin floats at rough 6kish HP at best, or 1080, not even a 100 HP increase over cure, yet it requires a sizable sum of MP more. Most Paladins are going to be around the 5.6k mark, or an effective stoneskin of 1008. Not worth the trade off of higher MP costs and lack of crit.

That being said, for a PLD who has hate established and isn't AoE tanking (Boss fights), stoneskin gives himself a 560 HP shield, which is pretty nice for a tank buff that has no recast.

EDIT to contnue: Most WHMs only use SS as a pre-shield, and if they're MP is so good they could recast it mid fight, they'd probably be better off nuking.

[Choyi]

Tbh, you'd be better off using one of the native PLD defensive cooldowns instead.

Being that defensive cooldowns are off the GCD it's not like you have to choose either or.

[Ri_ri]

Most fights that require timed stuns to interrupt can be done by the very same PLD who MTs, granted they know the timings and the fight well enough, practice and you will see it is not that hard.
Only fight where there isn't a set in stone pattern would be chimera, and even then there is plenty of windows in between(besides you can't chain stun due to DR anyways) the abilites being cast.

Even easier if you OT, theres no excuse not to contribute to damage with combos in between interupts.

I was specifically talking about off tanking, and the damage you do is so low that's better to just focus on stunning (to not mess up and aggro the party instead...).

[Luso]

I might be wrong, but I feel like some Cross-classes skills are ridiculously stupid
PLD can have Protect and Stoneskin, but if a WHM is there, there is no point to ever use it, as we have Granite and Proshell.

Use Stoneskin in between monster attacks. Helps the healers from casting a stoneskin and allows them to focus a cast on something else. Great example of this is if a Paladin stonskins during a Titan landslide. They are not the focus of the landslide in most cases, and the party members are moving around. Cast a stoneskin on yourself and lower the next incoming damage.

Works for more bosses not just Titan.

[Anachronox]

Yes if we are buffing one tanking class....why not fix the useless heal we get???...rest is fine I feel.

[Tiggy]

Bloodbath is the OP self healing.

As a Warrior I say it's nice but hardly overpowered. Boss mobs they hit me for far more health than I can cure through bloodbath during its duration. At best its a type of mitigation as opposed to true healing. Perhaps on other classes who can cross class it you can actually gain a considerable amount of health back, but I can not. Inner Beast is far more powerful in my opinion, but not overpowered since I need five stacks of wrath.

[Anachronox]

Don't call it a pld then if it can't at least heal some...300 at 6k hp is useless

[NoctisCaelus]

In Japan, they call it Knight so technically, it's not the kind of Paladin you guys are thinking.

[waldo]

For those that compare paladin heals in XI to paladin heals in XIV, first and foremost you need to understand this: paladin cures in XI were primarily used to build hate, not to survive. We paladins have plenty of tools to build enmity, and if you still insist on paladin cures hitting for 1000+ there should be some sort of interrupt when 10 mobs are beating on you. If I can hold 10 mobs in a WP speed run with the tools I got now, adding even more Agro with cure bombs would be just unfair.

[Anachronox]

Don't call it a pld then if it can't at least heal some...300 at 6k hp is useless

....well we ain't there...and pld ' can heal decent I'm rest of the mmos I've played. Not saying they should be a healer. ...but why have a heal it it's worthless?