Which Fairy IS better?

[l3rownEyedGirl]

Is there anyway to get her to not use Embrace unless I tell her to? And if I "Place" her, what exactly does that affect?

No way in stopping Embrace(her using it won't take her off Steady, it's only when you use Embrace or her other spells). And placing her seems to make her heal faster/more since she's not moving when you're moving ^^.

[Maku]

With Obey you have to target an enemy first and they will still use WD or Silence along with Embrace. If you put them on Steady they will only use Embrace until told otherwise(You'll have to put them back on Steady though if you use one of their spells)

Selene does not use Silence when on Obey unless you tell her to.

[l3rownEyedGirl]

Selene does not use Silence when on Obey unless you tell her to.

Oh haha my mistake xD. I don't use her enough to know :P, I must of misread the info I was looking at >_<.

[Aikota]

Selene for Coil Turn 1-4 (Eos for turn 2 ADS) and Phase 1 & 2 of Turn 5. Eos for everything else. The 30% speed buff increases kill time in Coil by A LOT (especially turn 4). For Titan and Garuda I use Eos because I usually solo heal it and can't do that with no aoe heal and damage mitigation.

Other than any other fights in this game you can use Selene for damage buffs. If you know how to play your class and micromanage your pet you should be fine solo healing anything except Coil.

[Silverkin]

OK Scholars decision time... Which fairy is do you think is better and why? Or are both of them equal?

Fairies are a crutch!

[Iroukan]

I use Selene on trash and Eos on boss personaly. With a group that is fully geared, I use Selene all the time.

[shields977]

I use Selene on trash and Eos on boss personaly. With a group that is fully geared, I use Selene all the time.

With a FC group I have been running WP with I summon Selene, pop Cleric Stance and DD the whole time, with the exception of bosses and some larger pulls.

[Starkbeaumont]

Yesterday in AK I decided to use Selene for once and while she was under Fey Glow her Embrace speed was really fast. It seemed to me like it has a bigger effect on the fairy itself than on the player. Could be just my imagination though. But if it's actually that way Selene would be much stronger on single curing compared to Eos. Guess I have to test this.

[Teykos]

@cainejw: There's one consistency in your logs that's not being accounted for, given what you've stated.

If you leave Selene completely uncontrolled, she never uses her skill speed buff, at all. Selene requires some manual labor to squeeze out all her benefits. (So I'm curious how the MNK is benefiting from it.)

Also, so far, you've demonstrated that despite Selene having what you are defining as a no surefire outcome situation, both Selene runs are at least 1 min 30 seconds shorter than the Eos run. If that keeps up in your testing, then something is wrong with your conclusion of "no surefire outcome" there.

[cainejw]

Teykos, all but one run was a failure run. Eos B is a success run. We did approximately 6 runs, 4 of which turned out to be solid logs, 1 was a dummy log, and 1 had some really odd outcomes leading me to remove it as it was a third Eos log.

I also recognize that the operationalization leaves much to be desired. Frankly, you're never going to get a fully clean log for statistical comparison. If one DPS dies anytime during one fight but does not in another, the log is compromised. If the log misses or mislabels one attack, it's compromised. If one healer switches up their actions (Selene to Eos, for example) then the logs are compromised. If Fey Glow hits magic and Fey Light doesn't hit melee, again, compromised.


There's no good way to test the faeries in a vacuum with a full raid team. As that is the case, I am attempting to leverage the central limit theorem in my favor in hopes that the width of the data gathering equals out the confounding variables. As a sample has more iterations, it will appear more normative in nature. Sadly, the first round did not have lots of data.

Now, as you mention Fey Light, you are correct. That had not occurred to me. However, this only highlights the fact that the likely largest single contributor to DPS/Healing is not a faerie. It is not gear. It's not food. It will be the individual player and how they leverage their own characters. After that, I'm willing to bet that gear is the second largest factor in numerical outcomes. After all, we have two BLM and the lesser geared BLM, who was better rested and ready for the raid, did more DPS than the better geared BLM who was tired.

If you think that you can ensure that every DPS stays alive, that all of the buffs apply to everyone, healers never change their rotation, tanks never lose enmity, healers always have the exact same amount of MP, positioning is always the same, gear never changes between fights, foods are always up, buffs are always the same, AND that the exact same amount of energy level from each player is put into each run every single time...then please, give your hand at this.

Otherwise, I do apologize that I cannot give you a perfectly isolated, controlled experiential recounting of Eos and Selene. Instead, I can attempt to give Scholars experiential, non-theoretical, numbers-driven, non-simulation information. That information at this moment says both faeries are useful in differing situations.