Honest opinion on DPS queue times

[Misted]

The solution isn't to just increase the proportion of spots that are available for DPS queuing otherwise you will always be running into the problem of making everything larger to accommodate for all the DPS players and there will be no end to it within any reasonable limit. You will soon see 8 man dungeons that aren't raids to try and fit 6 dps per tank and healer in order to shorten queue times and hinder FC's that run together or raiding groups that run content together as the distribution for them wouldn't be the same as those that are required for raids have the 2/2/4 requirement and unable to slot in to 1/1/6 to have the same effect.

The solution has been said a million times which is to either level up a tank and queue for your tomes or run with your FC as the dungeon requirements scale well for the raids being 1/1/2 into being 2/2/4 when you start raiding. It also takes you out of the bottleneck of the duty finder which tries to pair you amongst all the other dps classes

[Grailer]

Don't level up a tank because you have to be a tank , level up a tank because you like tanking .

You need to be a certain kind of person to play a tank . For years I played a healer in most games because I enjoyed keeping people alive especially in those rare wtfshithit the fan moments when a bad healer would mean wipe .

To be a tank you have to have situational awareness, know all the mechanics of a fight . You have to know how to hold agro , how to regain agro if you lose it .

You have to know your healers / groups limit on how much to pull and for pugs this means you need to know very quickly .

You need to beable to position bosses correctly so DPS can kill without being killed .

Need to know when to pop cooldowns and not blow them at the wrong time causing wipe.


Yep screw being a tank , I levelled from 15 to 50 2 tanks in dungeons . Expert at tanking .

[alexstrasza]

You need to be a certain kind of person to play a tank

You are really trying to sell tank as a difficult role to play when it's probably 2nd easiest after ranged dps.

[saber_alter]

You are really trying to sell tank as a difficult role to play when it's probably 2nd easiest after ranged dps.

then explain to me why half of the tanks i have queued with in duty finder have no clue how to play their role. its bad enough if your still running tank with blinders on at brayflox, but still acting like so by end-game is unacceptable.

sure, you could blame fate grinding for such habits, but if you level a job, you should at least have a basic understanding of how the role plays in this game.

[Garnatian]

then explain to me why half of the tanks i have queued with in duty finder have no clue how to play their role. its bad enough if your still running tank with blinders on at brayflox, but still acting like so by end-game is unacceptable.

sure, you could blame fate grinding for such habits, but if you level a job, you should at least have a basic understanding of how the role plays in this game.

Pretty simple really. A Tank mistake is more likely to cause an issue for the group compared to a DPS mistake, therefore you notice them more.

There are plenty of DPS who have no clue how to play their class, it just has little affect on the group for most content.

[Bigpurpleharness]

then explain to me why half of the tanks i have queued with in duty finder have no clue how to play their role. its bad enough if your still running tank with blinders on at brayflox, but still acting like so by end-game is unacceptable.

sure, you could blame fate grinding for such habits, but if you level a job, you should at least have a basic understanding of how the role plays in this game.

Same reason there were so many bad Arcane Mages in CataWow. They've been told how easy it is and they're shitty players to begin with.

I have a tank and healer at 50, love them both. Also played my wife's Bard a lot for endgame events. Tanking is infinitely easier in this game (Which is not the norm for MMOs).

[GeilLega]

Having tanked in DaoC, WoW, and AC, I am interested that you think it's easier in this game vs. the other two roles. I don't have a high level healer, but DPS feels a lot like DPS in WoW, which was...well, pretty easy. I certainly only rarely had to actually interact with other players in WoW, most of it was watching hate meters and applying damage on a set rotation correctly, and mathing out that rotation with each patch / spec / gear build.

The "problem" here is that this is a trinity game and there are two pieces of the trinity that are *generally* failure inducing if they go down: tank and healer. As such, they place more responsibility on the player, more pressure when playing, and for the tank they are center stage in the most important encounters, meaning all of their mistakes are highly visible. Otoh, I've finished plenty of pre-AK content in a fight with just me and the healer and our two dead DPS. Sure, there are DPS check fights, but there are plenty where they aren't essential, while there are very few fights where a tank and a healer aren't essential.

So, unless we disagree there, I see it as human nature -- the majority wants the big numbers and the strut without the "work," especially since this is a game. From there you get population imbalance. Nothing Sqenix does will fix this; the solutions given really are the solutions -- either change what population you choose to participate in, or accept the things that go along with the population you do choose to play in. I play both dps and tank, and do I miss tank queues (queues? I don't even know...) on my dps, sure, but I understand why they happen.

[Rhained]

You are really trying to sell tank as a difficult role to play when it's probably 2nd easiest after ranged dps.

Its not difficult its boring, i think thats what he means.
Only some people find tank enjoyable.

[Grizzlebeard]

The solution has been said a million times which is to either level up a tank and queue for your tomes or run with your FC as the dungeon requirements scale well for the raids being 1/1/2 into being 2/2/4 when you start raiding.

Not always a viable solution when you've levelled your tanking job and are wanting to work on a DD one. FCs also don't provide a guaranteed solution to this either as I find given the choice most of my friends will play anything other than their healers. I'm sure not everyone who plays a healer feels that way but there's no denying there's a distinct lack of them out there.

S-E maybe need to look at those jobs to make them as desirable to play as DD roles. I know from my limited experience of levelling Cnj to 15 that it was quite possibly the most boring experience I've had to date in this game. I'm not averse to playing a healing class, I've done so in other MMOs, but there's not one thing I find attractive about doing so in FFXIV.