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    Misted's Avatar
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    Mistress Misted
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 50

    Honest opinion on DPS queue times

    Honestly I don't see why DPS are even complaining about the long queue times. Seeing as there are 9 classes with 2 of them are allocated to tanks and another 2 to healers with the remaining 5 allocated to healers. This leaves 5/9 or around 55% of the classes available to fill 50% of a group which is almost equal to the desired amount you would require having each role have equal proportions of available classes to available spots in a dungeon.

    The problem lies in the distribution of the classes where everyone is rolling the most desired role which happens to be DPS or DD classes. Having a majority of people role DPS classes means that there are large amounts of people who are all queueing for dungeons at the same time for the same role which causes the bottleneck of supplying the other classes such as tank/healer to fill the last role required in order to find said run.
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    Mistress Misted
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    The solution isn't to just increase the proportion of spots that are available for DPS queuing otherwise you will always be running into the problem of making everything larger to accommodate for all the DPS players and there will be no end to it within any reasonable limit. You will soon see 8 man dungeons that aren't raids to try and fit 6 dps per tank and healer in order to shorten queue times and hinder FC's that run together or raiding groups that run content together as the distribution for them wouldn't be the same as those that are required for raids have the 2/2/4 requirement and unable to slot in to 1/1/6 to have the same effect.

    The solution has been said a million times which is to either level up a tank and queue for your tomes or run with your FC as the dungeon requirements scale well for the raids being 1/1/2 into being 2/2/4 when you start raiding. It also takes you out of the bottleneck of the duty finder which tries to pair you amongst all the other dps classes
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    Grailer's Avatar
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    Silver Healer
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    Adamantoise
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Don't level up a tank because you have to be a tank , level up a tank because you like tanking .

    You need to be a certain kind of person to play a tank . For years I played a healer in most games because I enjoyed keeping people alive especially in those rare wtfshithit the fan moments when a bad healer would mean wipe .

    To be a tank you have to have situational awareness, know all the mechanics of a fight . You have to know how to hold agro , how to regain agro if you lose it .

    You have to know your healers / groups limit on how much to pull and for pugs this means you need to know very quickly .

    You need to beable to position bosses correctly so DPS can kill without being killed .

    Need to know when to pop cooldowns and not blow them at the wrong time causing wipe.


    Yep screw being a tank , I levelled from 15 to 50 2 tanks in dungeons . Expert at tanking .
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    alexstrasza's Avatar
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    Raj Dr
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Grailer View Post
    You need to be a certain kind of person to play a tank
    You are really trying to sell tank as a difficult role to play when it's probably 2nd easiest after ranged dps.
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    Lyrre Myste
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexstrasza View Post
    You are really trying to sell tank as a difficult role to play when it's probably 2nd easiest after ranged dps.
    then explain to me why half of the tanks i have queued with in duty finder have no clue how to play their role. its bad enough if your still running tank with blinders on at brayflox, but still acting like so by end-game is unacceptable.

    sure, you could blame fate grinding for such habits, but if you level a job, you should at least have a basic understanding of how the role plays in this game.
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    Last edited by saber_alter; 10-28-2013 at 10:16 PM. Reason: hyperbole, elaboration

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    Garnatian's Avatar
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    Gaust Euler
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    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    then explain to me why half of the tanks i have queued with in duty finder have no clue how to play their role. its bad enough if your still running tank with blinders on at brayflox, but still acting like so by end-game is unacceptable.

    sure, you could blame fate grinding for such habits, but if you level a job, you should at least have a basic understanding of how the role plays in this game.
    Pretty simple really. A Tank mistake is more likely to cause an issue for the group compared to a DPS mistake, therefore you notice them more.

    There are plenty of DPS who have no clue how to play their class, it just has little affect on the group for most content.
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    Last edited by Garnatian; 10-28-2013 at 10:22 PM.

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    Lil Muffins
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misted View Post
    another 2 to healers with the remaining 5 allocated to healers.
    You mean DPS, right? Otherwise this has gone over my tiny little head!

    Don't level up a tank because you have to be a tank , level up a tank because you like tanking .
    This is something I've always held true to myself. Why play a class you don't really feel like playing? Unless you're forced to in some way.
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    Lemon Nate
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    And then you get to Titan HM and realize DPS has way easier time finding a group than tank, especially Warriors....
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    Rhaine Faithslight
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    Odin
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by alexstrasza View Post
    You are really trying to sell tank as a difficult role to play when it's probably 2nd easiest after ranged dps.
    Its not difficult its boring, i think thats what he means.
    Only some people find tank enjoyable.
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    Darkkos Da'ert
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    I agree that you don't have to lv a class because you need it but because you want to play it. I recently leveled WHM because I wanted to try it,and in the end, it's a job i really LOVE to play! Oh and if you're about to lv a Tank or a Healer, please don't FATE grind... FATE won't show you how to really play the game.
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