Dragoons: Crit Class with no Crit?

[pandabearcat]

Are you upset?

I am merely the enemy of misinformation.

Also bad math.

Also I think, you will find that if you had 0 crit, and instead 900 determination, your damage would be higher.

Well...maybe not, the scaling might favor crit at that point.

But I hope you know it is entropy that is the bane of players everywhere, and as crit thrives on it, it is not good.

Lets say you need to do 100 damage to kill a mob.

I would much rather have 100 damage attack bar none, perfect, average, unfluctuating damage, than have 80 damage, but have a 80% chance to crit.

The EV of 80 damage, 80% chance to crit is 80*(1.5*.8 + .2) = 112 damage.

It is higher damage, by 12%!

But guess what, 20% of the time, you're going to fail that boss.

I'd rather do less dps and be more consistent.

Obviously with more attacks this becomes moot and everything approaches average, but I wanted to point out the fallacy of relying on your "big" crits.

[EasymodeX]

As you can see, if you take the derivative (the change per change, as it were) = 2 - 2*crit, it is a linear line down.

So the rate of change will decrease linearly, which is why the graph is inverted like that.

Mathematics!

Oh, I thought the graph reflected the # of ROBs procs, not the delta / 1st derivative of # of ROB procs. I get the negative acceleration since the two potential ROB procs (one from each DOT) partially conflict. mIsrEAd

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

We'll I'm not much of a math person but considering dragoon has a lot of high potency attacks I figure having them crit as often as possible would increase your damage more than having them on a flat line. But this is clearly just an opinion of mine! hopefully I'll be able to mix and match more crit armor in the future!

[xyaie]

Potency of attacks doesn't increase crit's effectiveness

hitting .5% harder and having a 1% chance to do 50% more damage are the same thing. Considering your heaviest attack garanteed crits like 20-25% of the time anyway, it makes crit less effective in the given situation

[ShinigamiB06]

dragoon stat weights:
Weapon Damage: 7.54
Strength: 1
Determination: .22
Crit: 0.16
Skill Speed: .146

what that means is that 1 point in determination will increase your overall dps more than one point in crit (37.5%). str and weapon damage are even moreso a bigger increase. while the heavy crits make a good amount of damage, the little increase from every hit hitting harder (and the crits critting harder) makes for a bigger increase



crit chance formula: Crit Chance % = 0.0693 x CRT – 18.486

what is your source for this? did you get this from that one guy who basically ran a few tries and drew some excel spreadsheets?

[RoughDivider]

what is your source for this? did you get this from that one guy who basically ran a few tries and drew some excel spreadsheets?

Yeah that's the accepted value at this point.

[Thyrllan]

what is your source for this? did you get this from that one guy who basically ran a few tries and drew some excel spreadsheets?

It's not "a few"

It's a variety of theorycrafters who ran a plethora tests and came to the same relative conclusion.

[xyaie]

what is your source for this? did you get this from that one guy who basically ran a few tries and drew some excel spreadsheets?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn
I was a part of the theorycrafting that went into this. its 51 pages with probably more theorycrafting in the first 2 post alone than most of the DPS forums combine. those exact numbers are from easymodeX (he made the finished product).

as for the crit formula:
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id...riticalHitRate

he cites his info and his test quite well. so far its stayed very consistent with my "actual" results within a reasonable margin of error.

[ShinigamiB06]

It's not "a few"

It's a variety of theorycrafters who ran a plethora tests and came to the same relative conclusion.

lol chill dude. i didnt mean it in a way to undermine what they did.

[ShinigamiB06]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn
I was a part of the theorycrafting that went into this. its 51 pages with probably more theorycrafting in the first 2 post alone than most of the DPS forums combine. those exact numbers are from easymodeX (he made the finished product).

as for the crit formula:
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id...riticalHitRate

he cites his info and his test quite well. so far its stayed very consistent with my "actual" results within a reasonable margin of error.

ill have to sit down and carefully read the whole thing before i can actually say anything in regards to those numbers. but from a quick peak, I am not sure i can accept those trials for critical hit chance. It will most likely sound stupid to the masses, and admittedly there is a very high chance that I am wrong, but i cant shake this feeling that critical hit chance is not a linear number that simply increases with higher value. To put it more clearly, I feel like the critical hit chance stat works alongside other stats in order to calculate the real critical hit rate percentage.

Here is why i believe this: In the numbers presented in the graph, with 340 CHR you have a ~6% chance to land a critical. with 440 CHR you have effectively increased that to ~12% chance. So if these numbers truly have a linear relationship, then by definition decreasing you CHR from 340 to 240 you would literally have ~0% chance of a critical hit. And if you further decreased that number you would go into negative values. So i think its fair to say that we have all landed a critical hit with less than 240 CHR (unless that is the starting value stat at level one LOL)

That is why I have always said: "numbers may not lie, but they dont tell the whole truth"

just for the sake of completeness, i feel the person should test if changing the strength stat or any other stat changes the frequency of criticals.