Auto-attack is a step backward.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

People who are complaining about several of the changes, can it already. They are trying to fix the game because right now it lacks content and is broken and kinda blows. I love the game but want for it to be the MMO WoW Killer I expected it to be not this current mangled heap of a game that doesn't live up to the Final Fantasy name. Keep up the good work SE.

[Physic]

People who are complaining about several of the changes, can it already. They are trying to fix the game because right now it lacks content and is broken and kinda blows. I love the game but want for it to be the MMO WoW Killer I expected it to be not this current mangled heap of a game that doesn't live up to the Final Fantasy name. Keep up the good work SE.

just because they are trying to fix something doesnt mean they have the best solution, it doesnt mean they dont have a good solution either, but giving your opinion, and reasoning is not the problem.
Heres what the battle guy said he wants, for you to have to play with skill, and tactics, and get rewarded for that, but some of things they have done so far, worked against that plan.

The current SP system, is totally against that plan, 10 level cap on exp, innately gives you less reward for taking on difficult monsters.
Being able to only fight 1 monster at a time goes against that plan, because you cannot increase the difficulty by fighting hordes of mobs at one time
Auto attack in most general uses, will go against that plan, giving you less control, and thus less ability to use/adapt to the situation you are in.

I think they have some changes in mind to address certain of these problems, but all they really have told us so far is auto attack as the main means of making battle more tactical/rewarding for highly skilled play, and nothing about auto attack seems to create highly skilled play/reward for tactical/strategic fighting.

And most of the reason people say they want it, goes to the opposite point, of it being easier to afk, less annoying to have to press all the time. If this is all auto attack is meant to solve, it would be better for them to add a very gimp gambit (ff12) that will attack for you automatically every second if you hit gimpauto button. that you could turn off, or never use

[kukurumei]

just because they are trying to fix something doesnt mean they have the best solution, it doesnt mean they dont have a good solution either, but giving your opinion, and reasoning is not the problem.
Heres what the battle guy said he wants, for you to have to play with skill, and tactics, and get rewarded for that, but some of things they have done so far, worked against that plan.

The current SP system, is totally against that plan, 10 level cap on exp, innately gives you less reward for taking on difficult monsters.
Being able to only fight 1 monster at a time goes against that plan, because you cannot increase the difficulty by fighting hordes of mobs at one time
Auto attack in most general uses, will go against that plan, giving you less control, and thus less ability to use/adapt to the situation you are in.

I think they have some changes in mind to address certain of these problems, but all they really have told us so far is auto attack as the main means of making battle more tactical/rewarding for highly skilled play, and nothing about auto attack seems to create highly skilled play/reward for tactical/strategic fighting.

And most of the reason people say they want it, goes to the opposite point, of it being easier to afk, less annoying to have to press all the time. If this is all auto attack is meant to solve, it would be better for them to add a very gimp gambit (ff12) that will attack for you automatically every second if you hit gimpauto button. that you could turn off, or never use

Hello gimp auto player that think he's doing useful by hitting the win and win 2 and win 3 button in combination thinking you will have a win+1 instead of pressing plain old win.

As said can it already, or at least stop spawning more threads.

The current system doesn't work. Auto attack will go a long way to making it work. What's even more annoying then a broken system is a broken system that annoys people to play it.

If you think you're fancy button pressing actually matters...it doesn't. it never did, and it's not going to. I rather replace it with a single computer controlled swing and having fun.

If you want to claim the finger chicken dance is l33t and everyone else is lazy, fine, but at the end of the day, you're only fooling yourself in getting carpal tunnel syndrome, for the same results.

[Preypacer]

As said can it already, or at least stop spawning more threads.

Is this the new trend on the forums around here? Telling people to "can it" when you don't like what they have to say?

Thing is, they have every bit as much right to post their opinions as you and everyone else do. It is not *your* place, nor anyone else's to tell them to "can it" if you don't like what they have to say.

So, how about this... If you don't like what they have to say, don't read it, much less respond to it. This way, they get to speak their mind, and you "don't have to deal with it".

Win-Win situation all around.

Or you can continue with the self-defeating and pointless behavior of believing that people need to "can it" if you don't like what they're saying.

FFS... There are some seriously intolerant people around here.

[sirdayne]

I can see how not having Auto-Attack is a headache for tanks and DDs. It's not like Conjurer is spamming Spirit Dart constantly; that might even get in the way of normal spellcasting. Disciples of Magic don't need Auto-Attack nearly as much as the Disciples of War do.

[Physic]

Hello gimp auto player that think he's doing useful by hitting the win and win 2 and win 3 button in combination thinking you will have a win+1 instead of pressing plain old win.

As said can it already, or at least stop spawning more threads.

The current system doesn't work. Auto attack will go a long way to making it work. What's even more annoying then a broken system is a broken system that annoys people to play it.

If you think you're fancy button pressing actually matters...it doesn't. it never did, and it's not going to. I rather replace it with a single computer controlled swing and having fun.

If you want to claim the finger chicken dance is l33t and everyone else is lazy, fine, but at the end of the day, you're only fooling yourself in getting carpal tunnel syndrome, for the same results.

So what your saying is, the battle system should be automated, and that is more fun. On this we can only disagree, you may prefer RTS games, but it isnt my thing. I prefer to have what i do in combat matter.

If you think you can be more effecient on pug, lnc, archer, or glad by pressing one button, i think you are smoking crack.
Spamming makes you more suceptible to getting hit by tp attacks,
Spamming depletes your stamina so when you need it, you dont have it
Spamming stops you from using an evade/parry/miss moves

there many reasons why spamming is not the best playstyle, the reason you dont see this, is because SE current SP reward system rewards you for attacking monsters you were meant to solo/duo one at a time.

It isnt about being leet, its about a fundamental difference in opinions here. From what you say you would prefer a system that you didnt have to do a "chicken finger" dance IE you dont want to have to press any combinations of buttons a lot, no matter if its basic attacks, or skills. You want a system that allows you to sit back relax, and watch the action, with a few modifications to the pc behavior here and there, basically you want an RTS battle system, I want a tactical/action based battle system.

You may win at the end of the day, the game might be an RTS, but Im gonna say that sucks for a FF game.

[Ostia]

It is a step backward if the goal is to keep this MMO in the 90's where key smashing was L33t and PRO!

[Physic]

It is a step backward if the goal is to keep this MMO in the 90's where key smashing was L33t and PRO!

ok lets have real discussion rather than contest of trying to get quick quips and zingers
What would be your ideal battle system? How would it flow, what level of input do you expect, or desire to have. That information could actually be useful to developers

[origamikitsune]

I hate the idea of an Auto-Attack. I really do. That said, I think it is needed and will improve this game for one reason above and beyond all others...

/autoattack
/p Please BR Combo Def Down / MDef Down!

instead of...

/wait doing nothing while typing
/p Please BR combo Def Down / MDef Down!

[Tarrtarus]

I'm excited for an auto-attack.. Mashing 1-1-1-1 all day is boring, especially when you're trying to keep Guard up and use other abilities.