Order of the Blue Garter Twintania Down (No Exploits)

[RapBreon]

I'll ignore anything you assume about our raid because that is laughable.

I aim to please :P

Yes, with CD's, but those CD's will run out, and leave tanks open to much more danger with healers being in conflag or even the offtank being targeted for conflag which can happen.

Sure it can happen, it would take three consecutive conflags on the healers, it's not really a common situation with the straight tanking strat. Tank swapping adds another variable, we found it better to cut the variable and take whatever rare wipes it may cause. If the tanks and healers communicate appropriately you can stretch those CD's for a long ass time.

They completely ignore any danger at all in this phase with breaking the boss and ignoring mechanics. This phase is essentially trivial. I'm not concerned about what your guild does or my guild, I'm concerned with the fact that this world first kill was a proven exploit and BG knows it because their only defence in this thread was a poor one.

Might I suggest this; if you're not concerned with what your group or my group does, you may want to avoid invoking anecdotal evidence to strengthen your case, then deny your interest when there is contrary (anecdotal) evidence.

So if they are so pro and this phase is so easy, why then did they choose to exploit?

I am unsure if you missed my point. BG are nerds, (I mean it endearingly <3) they've probably spent many hours having to do Phase 1-2 for a shot at the more difficult phases. When you've gotten to this point all you care about is expediting the process for the sake of your sanity. You either; see in black and white (good and bad), you're inexperienced or you're very uncreative if you can't think of a reason as to why someone would exploit beyond being an 'insidious evil genius' caricature (hyperbole, be calm).

Any guild who genuinely cared about posting a world first strat "legit" would have not have resorted to such methods.

I agree they dropped the ball here; they should've probably not gone with such a loaded title.

Their stance has changed over the last 24 hours as posted earlier, they know what they did and people called them out on it.

I actually wrote a detailed response to Kyne_Lyons but when I hit submit, it went down for maint and I lost it. So bleh to that.

But in summary; somebody changing their stance is hardly evidence of them 'lying'. If they were deliberately trying to cover something up; smart liars always stick to their guns because they know how suspicious they look when they change their story. Not to mention the power of forceful opinions, people often take credit for something they didn't do in certain circumstances (doubt this is the case though). They might have 100% believed it wasn't an exploit until the QQ began. Who knows what's going on in their heads. Basically, the changing of their stance means literally nothing at all, because you can slice this too many ways.

Actually, most guilds did not best this phase because they simply skipped it with sleeping conflags/using the rez strat because no one had the gear to kill conflags or keep their tanks up. This allowed guilds to see phases they shouldn't be able to see since they can't progress. It might be easy now that we have had 5-6 weeks to gear up in Coil...so of course it would be easy.

Completely disagree, if you have the DPS for turn 4 you have it for at least a 3 stack conflag.

This isn't my point, so again you aren't really seeing the problem at hand. So, this point is still false

This is entirely irrelevant to their kill video. Because they killed with 5-6 weeks of Coil gear, which almost everybody can do now....this point would've been relevant back when it was very difficult to DPS down conflags. Them seeing the phases weeks ahead (if this is true), gave them practise at those phases, which would then mean you'd have to technically ban everyone whoever slept a conflag, just to see the other phases, regardless of their success at killing Twins (good bye almost every raider). Tenuous rationalisation at best, at worst it's a shifting of goalposts.

Sounds to me like you really don't fully know what you are talking about and just endorsing guilds who knowingly exploit fights.

Ah, so you find my assumptions laughable, yet you make your own, oh that is ironic. If you must know, I'm unhappy they killed it, I wanted to be another week + for someone to down it so we had time to catch up a little more. I'm just honest enough to realise it is beaten and not clinging to some misguided sense of 'sportsmanship'.

If I may keep the wheel of assumptions turning; I think you're just an angry gamer who thinks they're leagues more intelligent than the rest of us (hehehe this may look ironic, but at least I acknowledge it). Here is my assessment; you're not, your points are cobbled together and don't flow, you back-track to try and make irrelevant points relevant; the entire basis of your argument is rooted in your own brand of morality - which is fine - except you don't acknowledge that's what it is. Additionally, your condescending attitude is amusing because more often than not you're completely off the mark.

Sorry for the delayed reply. I hope you'll still respond, I'm super bored. Also I don't apologise for extending this argument, SE hasn't given me enough content to log in, so I shall ruin their forums!

But first, I have another important announcement to make. On October 26, 2013 (PDT), a group of daring adventurers on Excalibur has managed to clear all five turns of the Binding Coil!

This is a world-first, and we couldn't be more excited for you. Congratulations on a job well done!!!
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BG are Pride of West

Seeing as this effectively ends the conversation (sadly), I'll leave my points up for funsies. Additionally, I'll respond as maturely as I know how. Suck ittttttttttttttttttttt babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Honestly denying world first because of a wall that stopped being a wall would've been poor form anyway.

True enough given enough gear you could burn though them easily. But with binding you outgeared the fights in ilvl 70 gear, by SE's own admission, that's two tiers of gear below being fully outfitted in coil item gear. That's a problem.

Oh yes, let's hope they learn form this and tune a little harder!

Wildstar!

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Oh yes, yes yes yes, dw, I'll be haunting SYN like an annoying forum fly in that game as well.