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    I posted this elsewhere, but I figure I might as well drop it here too:

    I don't think the twister mechanic itself is "tuned" in an interesting way, but the interaction with the dreadknights is decent, and I like the tuning in the last phase a lot.

    If you want to count, twister dodge rate for the kill was:
    Carraway: 1/1
    Arin: 2/2
    Verily: 2/4
    Sniper: 3/3
    Junpei: 3/3
    Sirius: 3/4
    Peng: 2/2
    Lilaea: 1/1

    Each individual in our kill group has, at one time or another, achieved 80-90% dodge rate over a night's worth of attempts (~4-6 hours), and sometimes over several days' or an entire week's worth of attempts.
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    Maki Maki'
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    So, wait, the "finely tuned" portion of the fight is running in a little spiral and avoiding her plumes? Square, you are so silly.
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    We will eventually do a framework explanation of how and why we tackle the fight the way we do, but we'll wait until later for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carraway View Post
    We will eventually do a framework explanation of how and why we tackle the fight the way we do, but we'll wait until later for that.
    While I'm in no position (as a relative no-body in your eyes) to ask anything of you. I did hope you would abstain until at least another group has completed it legit. So it is good to hear you won't essentially 'solve' the fight for people straight off the bat (though expediant individuals - myself included - will no doubt lean on your video). While I've thanked you many times for your transparent attitude. Of all things, I am most grateful for this. I'm glad world first went to those who have fore-sight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RapBreon View Post
    I did hope you would abstain until at least another group has completed it legit. So it is good to hear you won't essentially 'solve' the fight for people straight off the bat (though expediant individuals - myself included - will no doubt lean on your video). While I've thanked you many times for your transparent attitude.
    We had wanted to wait longer to release a video, but with so much doubt in the community about the legitimacy and bugged/unbugged state of several mechanics in the fight, we felt it was more of a net gain to release the video now without any detailed explanations. The core reason we play the game is to have fun through competition and challenging ourselves, so we tried to strike a compromise. I'm sure some will regret our video release, but we couldn't think of a better way to handle the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carraway View Post
    We had wanted to wait longer to release a video, but with so much doubt in the community about the legitimacy and bugged/unbugged state of several mechanics in the fight, we felt it was more of a net gain to release the video now without any detailed explanations. The core reason we play the game is to have fun through competition and challenging ourselves, so we tried to strike a compromise. I'm sure some will regret our video release, but we couldn't think of a better way to handle the process.
    That seems entirely fair. To be honest I'd like SE to get involved with the confirming/denying of legitimate kills rather than forcing groups to defend their kill by posting a video.
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    Elysia Mazda
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    So... the mechanic is to run in a small clockwise circle?

    I dub thee: Spintania!
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    It's funny how it looks relatively easy on the video when done just right. Nice job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynthis View Post
    It's funny how it looks relatively easy on the video when done just right. Nice job!
    Don't let looks decieve you, the fight is that easy. The only two mechanics in the fight that were any trouble are divebomb, which the only method to give results to get through it is a near exploit in my opinion, and twister which everyone knew what the deal was with it but not the dance to appease the gods. All in all this is the pinnacle of their raid design, undertuned, poorly tested, and gimmicky. It leaves a very sour taste in my mouth and inspires no confidence in their future content.

    That takes nothing away from BG and their fine kill though. Congrats.
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    Last edited by Liander; 10-28-2013 at 05:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liander View Post
    Don't let looks decieve you, the fight is that easy. The only two mechanics in the fight that were any trouble are divebomb, which the only method to give results to get through it is a near exploit in my opinion, and twister which everyone knew what the deal was with it but not the dance to appease the gods. All in all this is the pinnacle of their raid design, undertuned, poorly tested, and gimmicky. It leaves a very sour taste in my mouth and inspires no confidence in their future content.

    That takes nothing away from BG and their fine kill though. Congrats.
    Soooo... everyone will clear it tomorrow?
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