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  1. #141
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    Astarica's Avatar
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    Olan Durai
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Tanks have a bad reputation because a lot of them indeed goes through the 'you guys need me more than I need you' routine. That's why it's also not really worth it to argue with them in the first place because you really do need him more than he needs you because of the shortage of tanks. Outside of Aiatar, I can't think of a fight that's just borderline impossible with a bad tank, and I've beaten Aiatar while the tank takes every single dragon breath. If your healer is halfway decent and your DPS don't suck, it shouldn't matter what the tank is, or is not, doing. I've had tanks who point Anantoboga in totally crazy directions but you can usually still get out of the tail sweep on time, and even if not, eating the first tail sweep isn't going to wipe you and you most definitely should avoid all the sweeps after that point no matter how weird the position is.
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  2. #142
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    juniglee's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Delenia Forcentis
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn View Post
    Man, I'm glad to hear you say this. I had a tough time tanking him because the casting time of that attack is just brutally short. I was worried that everything from here on out would be the same way...
    You can stand near Aiatar's left leg. When he uses his Dragon Breath attack, you can dodge it just by running forward a little, this also turns the boss 180 degrees around
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  3. #143
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    Cycloptichorn's Avatar
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    Character
    The Cyclops
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 44
    Quote Originally Posted by juniglee View Post
    You can stand near Aiatar's left leg. When he uses his Dragon Breath attack, you can dodge it just by running forward a little, this also turns the boss 180 degrees around
    That's what I ended up doing. After three wipes lol, I kept trying to run sideways out of the zone, but there's REALLY no time for that...
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  4. #144
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    Dimitrias's Avatar
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    Character
    Lyzon Valtin
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Hers an example why it sucks to be a tank. Did WP, the first 2 runs, we get all the way to the first boss room, where the big tonberry catches us and wipes us. On both runs, all 3 other members immediately left my group, which was instantly replaced with 3 more.

    Well guss what, after that wipe, not one person died the rest of those dungeons runs. Funny how that keeps working out like that.

    Even had a healer sit at the entrence once and complain how he died and left, was replaced, and had no trouble with the new healer.

    I've also had blackmages, I just couldn't hold hate on... I sometimes didn't even bother tryin to get the hate back, even have others pull more mobs while were still fighting our current group of mobs....

    I've seen so much, and had to take a lot of complaints as a Paliden, but I've endured a lot, and now I do hold hate a lot better than I used to. Expecially if everyone in my group has less than 3k hp in WP....
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  5. #145
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    Sephirah's Avatar
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    Nim Loki
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 60
    We're tanks, we are there to take the hits, even when they come from our own party.

    As I've mentioned before, tanking is not for everyone, you need to be patient, and it helps if you have some leadership skills. Do you HAVE to lead your party? No, but it is the default expectation, and it does make things go smoother if you can.
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    http://youtu.be/gGJPq1qmtrk - PLD Controller Tanking AK with no UI video

  6. #146
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    Rekujen's Avatar
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    Character
    Rekuja Azalon
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 50
    Nerf Fates
    Buff Dungeons

    All of a sudden you have tanks... and not 8 of them farming Svara.
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  7. #147
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    Keyblade's Avatar
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    Character
    Keyblade Lightbringer
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    been rarest since day 1.
    This is the whole reason i went tank. Ppl QQ over being in a que as DPS for an hour . Well what do you expect. Everyone roles DPS cause its super easy to play.
    All you do is click and shoot. Tanks and Healers have to pay more attention and are the reason you defeat bosses and instances cause its there job to keep the DPS alive and going
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  8. #148
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    Keyblade's Avatar
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    Keyblade Lightbringer
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
    Tanks have a bad reputation because a lot of them indeed goes through the 'you guys need me more than I need you' routine..
    Ive been one of those tanks. If the team isnt listening to me when im clearly better geared and experianced then the team. Well im going to say that line.
    For example was in AK and two DPS in my team had super poor DPS even with Relic. I think we all know the class im speaking of and the when the bigger golem appears . Stands in the REd and Dies.
    The tank is there and yes should know the fight better then most so important to follow the tanks directions cause most tanks are correct "if experianced". You need them more then they need you.
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  9. #149
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    juniglee's Avatar
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    Character
    Delenia Forcentis
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    I've been seeing horror stories about tanks getting flak when they queue up for DF. Specifically, it all falls down on them needing to do all of the following:
    - pull creep waves
    - mark each creep in the wave
    - don't lose aggro
    - know how to run the dungeon
    - sense of leadership

    I main a tank, and I've recently re-rolled as a DPS to enjoy the mechanics of a different class. I'm not much of a FATE grinder, because I simply don't like FATE grinding if I can help it, but on the odd occasions I do get into a dungeon, I'm usually running Brayflox's Longstop, because of dat Battlemage set.

    One common thing I seem to notice is that the tanks I get tend to be slower, some of them are even quite bad. However, this is where my message to the community comes in: please be patient with your tank, no matter how bad they are.

    As long as they are willing to listen, please help to guide them to the right path. I understand that not everyone is a prodigy at video games, not everyone has an MMO background, which is why people should not have expectation levels if they are a mechanically better player.

    As a fellow tank, I am willing to teach newer tanks the ropes. Just don't give up on them because of one wipe. I sometimes even help with marking them. Sometimes I am impatient, and I end up pulling singular mobs (roaming Aevis in Stone Vigil for example), but at least it's manageable.
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  10. #150
    Player
    Astarica's Avatar
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    Olan Durai
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Tanks are needed because of their rarity and the need to have one to satisfy the DF requirement. They're not needed for their expertise at all. Most dungeons in this game can be tanked by a trained monkey just fine as long as the rest of the group isn't consisted of trained monkeys. Most tanks in DF are terrible players but it is not worth the effort to cry about it unless you're also a terrible player. The tank, in terms of dungeons, plays a marginalized role that has very little bearing to the group's success. As long as the tank isn't outright terrible his impact to winning or losing is minimal. For example on the Flan boss in WP I had a tank who never picked up any adds. After wiping once since we expected the tank to get aggro, we just had the healer ran into the flan and AE around the healer instead (since healer always gets aggro on all the adds) and didn't miss anything.
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