Monk- general discussion and feedback

[Onyxys]

Except Monk has access to more % damage buffs than Dragoon. That is the reason why our skills have low potency compared to Dragoon.

How exactly will the class be dead soon? The Monk class is pretty healthy, imo. Sure, a couple non DPS skills could be tweaked to be more useful, but you don't seem to be satisfied unless we get a direct damage buff because you don't feel like your damage is good enough. Many of us feel that if Monks get any kind of DPS buff, we'll be very overpowered.

ONYXYS wrote: Alright. Lets face the truth- monk IS THE MOST UNPOPULAR DD CLASS for now for many reasons and it is a fact. Changing of GS buff will not change anything because changes must be more deep and changes need to be more. If developers will not do anything to boost monk, this class soon will be dead

It is my point of view and I know Im right- I see only Blackmages, Bards, Dragoons, tanks or healers, but not monks

[Risbyn]

ONYXYS wrote: Alright. Lets face the truth- monk IS THE MOST UNPOPULAR DD CLASS for now for many reasons and it is a fact. Changing of GS buff will not change anything because changes must be more deep and changes need to be more. If developers will not do anything to boost monk, this class soon will be dead

What reasons are those that you are stating as fact? You haven't listed them anywhere in this thread.

[Cthulhu]

Onyxys makes a thread in the DPS forum about how MNK is gimped and is told to play better. Instead of learning to play better Onyxys goes to General and makes a thread about how MNK is gimped. Onyxys, I'm sorry you don't know how to play your MNK. It's a very powerful class and doesn't need a buff. Have you looked into BRD or BLM? Sounds like they might fit your play-style better.

[Onyxys]

Onyxys makes a thread in the DPS forum about how MNK is gimped and is told to play better. Instead of learning to play better Onyxys goes to General and makes a thread about how MNK is gimped. Onyxys, I'm sorry you don't know how to play your MNK. It's a very powerful class and doesn't need a buff. Have you looked into BRD or BLM? Sounds like they might fit your play-style better.

Sad archer. I can repeat once more- if anyone dont want monk changes- just dont wrote in this thread. This thread is for those, who can give ideas to make monk better. You dont have ideas- good bye. Thank you

[neoreturn]

Give MNK an aoe dot

[Risbyn]

Sad archer. I can repeat once more- if anyone dont want monk changes- just dont wrote in this thread. This thread is for those, who can give ideas to make monk better. You dont have ideas- good bye. Thank you

You don't get to dictate what others get to post in a thread on a public forum. You also still haven't listed the FACTS of why Monk is the most unpopular DD class.

[Zer0]

One Ilm punch looks to be a pvp spell, if there was you know pvp. Removing buffs is a strong thing for pvp, pve wise it's almost worthless with exception of a few fights that force the mechanic to be a step beyond useless.

[Shaone]

Monk is definitely a very nice job.

I'm currently training myself on maximising greased lightning, one thing I've noticed is with Rockbreaker being untargetted, if you can finish a group of mobs in Coeurl form with 6-7 seconds on greased lightning then hit it on the way to the next group to renew the greased lightningtimer it will give you just that little bit more time. Following with Arm of the Destroyer will then set you into Raptor, so when you reach the group will only need a True Strike and Snap Punch to get back into a fresh greased lightning stack and out of the danger zone, so even if there are just 2 seconds on the timer you should be able to keep up greased lightning.

Only occurred to me today, and I need to test this out to see how practical it is (sorry if it doesn't work or it's already widely known and I've just been missing something).

EDIT : NOpe doesn't work, Rockbreaker won't let you use it, was hoping it was like Arm of the Destroyer *sigh* ok that's something I'd like changed then :P let us Rockbreaker without having a target, since it's just a conal :P

[NoctisUmbra]

Disagree. Look on the monk's skill potency and dragoon's

Alright. Lets face the truth- monk IS THE MOST UNPOPULAR DD CLASS for now for many reasons and it is a fact. Changing of GS buff will not change anything because changes must be more deep and changes need to be more. If developers will not do anything to boost monk, this class soon will be dead

I'm not sure what game you're playing, but please stop spouting this nonsense and claiming it as fact. Either you're playing with crappy players who have no clue how the DPS jobs stack against each other right now, you are surrounded by people who do not play MNK well (perhaps yourself included), or you're vastly exaggerating your personal little bubble of observations.

MNK is the most popular melee DD, far more popular than DRG. It is, however, also notorious for being horribly played by many people. Thus, there are some silly folk who dismiss the job (such as yourself, ironically) as being shit when all it really is is that they have no clue how to play it effectively... or they do but just cannot execute it.

Endgame is littered with MNKs. I have gone MNK for all 5 turns of Coil, and have been asked to stay MNK even when I offered to switch to a safer, ranged DPS job because of the increased DPS I bring as MNK.

Sad archer. I can repeat once more- if anyone dont want monk changes- just dont wrote in this thread. This thread is for those, who can give ideas to make monk better. You dont have ideas- good bye. Thank you

I'm not going to ask for your permission to post where I want to post. The only guidelines I adhere to are the ones set by SE regarding these forums.

You are suggesting changes to MNK. I am 100% against almost all of the changes suggested. I only agree with One Ilm Punch requiring tweaks. I am damn sure going to let my voice be heard just as loudly as yours.

[Soukyuu]

Very poor advantage if look on whole damage and critical hits. Dragoon has "blast" damage very fast quickly. Monk need to gain speed and it always go down because of loosing GS

You are just twisting things to fit your reasoning. We get a chance to land a crit every 2.02 seconds, while dragoons only ever 2.46 seconds. At same crit rate, MNK will have more opportunities to crit.

From all your posts I have a feeling you don't understand what sustained DPS means. As others said, you might consider playing another role if you are unhappy how monk's damage works. Monk is not a burst dps like Dragoon is. If you want to see big numbers, you're better off with any other dps role except monk and smn (which is a DoT sustained dps class in my eyes).

The Monk class is pretty healthy, imo. Sure, a couple non DPS skills could be tweaked to be more useful, but you don't seem to be satisfied unless we get a direct damage buff because you don't feel like your damage is good enough. Many of us feel that if Monks get any kind of DPS buff, we'll be very overpowered.

I can sign that.

It is, however, also notorious for being horribly played by many people. Thus, there are some silly folk who dismiss the job (such as yourself, ironically) as being shit when all it really is is that they have no clue how to play it effectively... or they do but just cannot execute it.

I also believe this to be the reason why some people are wary of monks. You just have to play it well enough to convince people you are good at it. The job itself is fine.