WAR fix: Storm's Path comb

[Darthvoltrius]

I've said it in some of my posts and yeah, I believe they should give Warriors a lvl 50 Trait that gives a 60% Parry on lolforesight. Also give defiance some sort of incease % in parry%. It wouldn't "fix" Warrior but it would greatly help. There are people who don't like parry though so.

[Dlewis1986]

If parry worked how I suggested I honestly doubt anyone would dislike the ideal although you can only parry non magical atacc which would put us in a piccle but it would be leaps and bounds better than what we have right now.

[Leiron]

Warriors do parry, they just don't parry enough.
Paladins can both block AND parry as well.

TO be honest, the devs shouldn't have not noticed the discrepancy.
Its easy to simply eyeball.

[RapBreon]

Hallowed ground IS penetrated by mechanics actually.
If the damage is completely unavoidable, such as Titan's AOE and Ifrit's Nail AoE or Garuda's Aerial Blast, the PLD will take damage anyway.
Given that SE is less into nerfing and is more into buffing, it would be better to see Warrior's raised to the same level of a Paladin.

At the same time, I would not be opposed to seeing Marauder's having a DPS oriented job.

What a delightfully annoying way to dodge my point, it also does nothing to undermine it. If it kills the entire raid, it doesn't matter if the PLD survives, he's not going to 1v1 the boss from 50%. PLD's aren't trivialising the Primals, they're trivialising Coil, which have specific moves designed to single out and pressure tanks. I realise due to text, I may not have been as clear as I intended. Though I did think the entire angle of my post recognised the fact that HG could be penetrated 0.o.

The entire premise of my point was this; if a mechanic designed to kill just the tank (not an insta-raid wiper), can be tanked to infinity, it either; lets the tank live and makes all other tanks mad and becomes another thing SE must work around to make Tank death relevant. Or it penetrates and kills the tank (does nothing), then it becomes a novelty to use in less than serious content or by people who need a crutch to survive survivable situations (which hilariously, is what it already does, but to a much more trivialising degree, ignore them mechanics HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO).

Adding their little caveat of 'most damage' doesn't do anything, because invuln undermines tank mechanics or it doesn't. You can only tune via CD and duration, which can be tricky indeed.

SE can be into whatever they want, but they're only making it harder for themselves in the future if they commit to power creep, refusing to trim the over-growths when it is needed. In which invuln will continue to be a pain in the ass to work around.

[Ehayte]

I think they should add %healing+ to defiance, change Wrath to Crit and a small overall dmg mod (let WARs have 20% dmg red. @ 5 stacks), and change most WAR healing skills to function like Thrill of battle. IB, Bloodbath, Storm's - they all heal for a value, and add to maximum health for the same value for a limited duration - allows both reactive and proactive tanking that doesn't screw the healer too much. If that's OPed then let everything increase max HP by 50% of the amount healed or whatever you have to do to get it balanced.

[Tiggy]

Leiron. Based on what I've read you clearly assume that war healing can never work and will never work simply because it doesn't work right now. That is a flawed assumption. You are adding nothing to the discussion by throwing up your brick walls left and right. So far I haven't seen a decent suggestion from you outside of go play pally or turn wars into pally's with pally like abilities. This is not useful or constructive criticism.

[Lemon8or]

How about we just make all our healing based on maximum HP % and call it a day. It scales with incoming damage in different way than PLD's mitigation but it does scale better than scaling with our own damage.

[Leiron]

Leiron. Based on what I've read you clearly assume that war healing can never work and will never work simply because it doesn't work right now.

No, that is an assumption of yourself, not me.
Don't try to push your own ideas of what you believe my opinion to be on me thanks.
Warrior self healing does not work because it is FLAT.
It does not scale with the content the way mitigation does.
If you make it percentile of your health, then that works a bit better, but you still are behind a Paladin in terms of passive mitigation/active as well as cooldowns.
So its not JUST healing. It is a combination of factors and it seems people such as yourself, are so bloody stuck on the healing aspect you're ignoring the rest of the core issues affecting Warriors right now.
I've never seen a community so set on working with a mechanic that is currently flawed, then suggesting they are okay when they clearly aren't.

That is a flawed assumption.

Clearly because it is YOUR assumption.

You are adding nothing to the discussion by throwing up your brick walls left and right. So far I haven't seen a decent suggestion from you outside of go play pally

Really?
Perhaps you should actually read my posts since you'll see I've given suggestions.

I am brick walling because hey, all of the suggestions; besides a handful; have been horrible.
Increase DPS! Well gee now you've made Warriors overpowerd.
Increase the healing!? Its still flat.
Make healing health percentile based? Good idea but you're STILL behind Paladin's due to their cD's and Shield Oath.

This is not useful or constructive criticism.

Oh but your entire post which is essentially bashing me is?
Or this post rght here?

or turn wars into pally's with pally like abilities.

Really?
What is Paladin like?
The fact that my suggestions actually make Warrior a better tank?
The fact you have actual mitigation?

Well gee, I guess Monks are clones of Dragoons because they both DPS with combo abilities!



@Lemon: Indeed I suggested it earlier, or applying a shield based effect for active mitigation that you work into your gameplay.
Cooldowns would still need to be addressed.
Right now you can do PLD/PLD in Coil.
You cannot go War/War.
That to me, suggests there is a big discrepancy.

[Giantbane]

I have been thinking of a mechanic that I would like to see as an improvement to WAR's self heals. Instead of only healing for 50% of the damage of Storm's Path itself, I would be happy to see perhaps a 5 sec duration to the self heals by all abilities, when in combo. I feel this would allow you to use Storm's Path, in a meaningful way, as part of your rotation, but not be so OP as to make WAR some sort of one man/woman show.

I probably don't need to say this, but what are some of your thoughts?

I don't think this is enough, it's still a very weak heal. I think it would be better as a 15-25sec duration 10-25% health leech effect. Remember, using it costs a lot of TP and you have to give up either the increased threat and damage of butcher's block or the increased dmg of storm's eye in order to use it. It needs to be a significant enough effect to be worth that trade off.

Leiron, balance doesn't need to be perfect between the two tanking classes. It's perfectly reasonable to mix mitigation between abilities that scale with the character and abilities that scale with the content as long as you can get close enough to balance between the two (which you can estimate with appropriate gear levels for the given content). I don't think you can have ALL of a warrior's mitigation based off the WAR himself, but mixing between the two is appropriate.

In my mind there are three major discrepancies between WAR & PLD mitigation that need to be resolved.

1) the base, relatively minor mitigation provided by block & rage of halone.
2) shield oath requiring ~10% less heals than defiance + full wrath (without having to worry about wrath stacks)
3) PLD superior defensive cooldown suite, especially for mitigating high incoming damage.

I think that this would be a good fix for 1. But it still leaves 2 & 3 to be resolved. It sounds like they're aware (to some degree) about 2, my hope is that they will move the +healing from wrath to defiance. Being able to use IB as needed without penalty (losing the +heal from wrath) would probably be enough to close this gap. They also seem to be aware of 3, although I have no idea what's in store to close the gap here.

[mcfuzzi]

Just a few spitball ideas:

BloodBath: 20% hp healed over 20 seconds 90 second cooldown Off global cooldown does upto a 300 potency attak, the lower your hp the better the attack

Stormspath: combos with overpower aoe cone up to 5 targets each target hit restores 1% of your hp grants 1 stack of wrath

Berserk: increases damage by 50% not attack power

IB: restores 20% of your health (that maybe op?)

Foresight: Creates a shield that is equal to 10% of your health (it could block all of that up front, or could reduce incoming dmg by a percent until that shield is used up Not sure what would work better)

fracture: 100 potency attack causes paralyze last 10 seconds.