WAR fix: Storm's Path comb

[Dlewis1986]

Idk why no one has said this but WAR should just use parry as it's secondary dam mit and possibly add some srt of small healing percentage to damage mitigated from parries.

[Darthvoltrius]

I've said it in some of my posts and yeah, I believe they should give Warriors a lvl 50 Trait that gives a 60% Parry on lolforesight. Also give defiance some sort of incease % in parry%. It wouldn't "fix" Warrior but it would greatly help. There are people who don't like parry though so.

[Dlewis1986]

If parry worked how I suggested I honestly doubt anyone would dislike the ideal although you can only parry non magical atacc which would put us in a piccle but it would be leaps and bounds better than what we have right now.

[Leiron]

Warriors do parry, they just don't parry enough.
Paladins can both block AND parry as well.

TO be honest, the devs shouldn't have not noticed the discrepancy.
Its easy to simply eyeball.

[Ehayte]

I think they should add %healing+ to defiance, change Wrath to Crit and a small overall dmg mod (let WARs have 20% dmg red. @ 5 stacks), and change most WAR healing skills to function like Thrill of battle. IB, Bloodbath, Storm's - they all heal for a value, and add to maximum health for the same value for a limited duration - allows both reactive and proactive tanking that doesn't screw the healer too much. If that's OPed then let everything increase max HP by 50% of the amount healed or whatever you have to do to get it balanced.

[Tiggy]

Leiron. Based on what I've read you clearly assume that war healing can never work and will never work simply because it doesn't work right now. That is a flawed assumption. You are adding nothing to the discussion by throwing up your brick walls left and right. So far I haven't seen a decent suggestion from you outside of go play pally or turn wars into pally's with pally like abilities. This is not useful or constructive criticism.

[Leiron]

Leiron. Based on what I've read you clearly assume that war healing can never work and will never work simply because it doesn't work right now.

No, that is an assumption of yourself, not me.
Don't try to push your own ideas of what you believe my opinion to be on me thanks.
Warrior self healing does not work because it is FLAT.
It does not scale with the content the way mitigation does.
If you make it percentile of your health, then that works a bit better, but you still are behind a Paladin in terms of passive mitigation/active as well as cooldowns.
So its not JUST healing. It is a combination of factors and it seems people such as yourself, are so bloody stuck on the healing aspect you're ignoring the rest of the core issues affecting Warriors right now.
I've never seen a community so set on working with a mechanic that is currently flawed, then suggesting they are okay when they clearly aren't.

That is a flawed assumption.

Clearly because it is YOUR assumption.

You are adding nothing to the discussion by throwing up your brick walls left and right. So far I haven't seen a decent suggestion from you outside of go play pally

Really?
Perhaps you should actually read my posts since you'll see I've given suggestions.

I am brick walling because hey, all of the suggestions; besides a handful; have been horrible.
Increase DPS! Well gee now you've made Warriors overpowerd.
Increase the healing!? Its still flat.
Make healing health percentile based? Good idea but you're STILL behind Paladin's due to their cD's and Shield Oath.

This is not useful or constructive criticism.

Oh but your entire post which is essentially bashing me is?
Or this post rght here?

or turn wars into pally's with pally like abilities.

Really?
What is Paladin like?
The fact that my suggestions actually make Warrior a better tank?
The fact you have actual mitigation?

Well gee, I guess Monks are clones of Dragoons because they both DPS with combo abilities!



@Lemon: Indeed I suggested it earlier, or applying a shield based effect for active mitigation that you work into your gameplay.
Cooldowns would still need to be addressed.
Right now you can do PLD/PLD in Coil.
You cannot go War/War.
That to me, suggests there is a big discrepancy.

[Lemon8or]

How about we just make all our healing based on maximum HP % and call it a day. It scales with incoming damage in different way than PLD's mitigation but it does scale better than scaling with our own damage.

[Giantbane]

I have been thinking of a mechanic that I would like to see as an improvement to WAR's self heals. Instead of only healing for 50% of the damage of Storm's Path itself, I would be happy to see perhaps a 5 sec duration to the self heals by all abilities, when in combo. I feel this would allow you to use Storm's Path, in a meaningful way, as part of your rotation, but not be so OP as to make WAR some sort of one man/woman show.

I probably don't need to say this, but what are some of your thoughts?

I don't think this is enough, it's still a very weak heal. I think it would be better as a 15-25sec duration 10-25% health leech effect. Remember, using it costs a lot of TP and you have to give up either the increased threat and damage of butcher's block or the increased dmg of storm's eye in order to use it. It needs to be a significant enough effect to be worth that trade off.

Leiron, balance doesn't need to be perfect between the two tanking classes. It's perfectly reasonable to mix mitigation between abilities that scale with the character and abilities that scale with the content as long as you can get close enough to balance between the two (which you can estimate with appropriate gear levels for the given content). I don't think you can have ALL of a warrior's mitigation based off the WAR himself, but mixing between the two is appropriate.

In my mind there are three major discrepancies between WAR & PLD mitigation that need to be resolved.

1) the base, relatively minor mitigation provided by block & rage of halone.
2) shield oath requiring ~10% less heals than defiance + full wrath (without having to worry about wrath stacks)
3) PLD superior defensive cooldown suite, especially for mitigating high incoming damage.

I think that this would be a good fix for 1. But it still leaves 2 & 3 to be resolved. It sounds like they're aware (to some degree) about 2, my hope is that they will move the +healing from wrath to defiance. Being able to use IB as needed without penalty (losing the +heal from wrath) would probably be enough to close this gap. They also seem to be aware of 3, although I have no idea what's in store to close the gap here.

[mcfuzzi]

-Bloodbath becomes kinda like spirits within, but works better the lower the hp

-Stormspath helps us be even better muti-target / trash tanks

-Berserk is underwelming when compaired to fight or flight, with a shorter duration and a debuff at the end it should be alot better.

-IB is now reliable and can be counted on

-Foresight is now a useful cooldown

-Fracture now gives war soemthing no other class has, the paralyse part could be added with the improved frature talant