Thread: I wish I could experience the 1.23 combat

Well, in short let's put it this way:

1.23:
Combo System - Many positioning requirements and other factors met (i.e dodge/missed an attack/evade/under x effect etc)
ARR:
Combo System - Very very few positioning requirements that hardly matters outside of Monk.

1.23:
Battle System in General - The game was on an engine not suited for MMOs so it had some core problems, so if you wish to have experienced it, take what we got with ARR now and add depth and more involvement into it ontop of gear actually meaning something:



I'm also in the camp that 1.23's battle system was better and assumed ARR's would have been an extension of it, making it even better.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Well, in short let's put it this way:

1.23:
Combo System - Many positioning requirements and other factors met (i.e dodge/missed an attack/evade/under x effect etc)
ARR:
Combo System - Very very few positioning requirements that hardly matters outside of Monk.

1.23:
Battle System in General - The game was on an engine not suited for MMOs so it had some core problems, so if you wish to have experienced it, take what we got with ARR now and add depth and more involvement into it ontop of gear actually meaning something:



I'm also in the camp that 1.23's battle system was better and assumed ARR's would have been an extension of it, making it even better.

you obviously dont know how MNK works in ARR its nothing but constant position changes. u have be moving all around to maximize dmg

Originally Posted by Hikozaemon

you obviously dont know how MNK works in ARR its nothing but constant position changes. u have be moving all around to maximize dmg

To be fair, Monks are the only class that require constant movement/position changes other than Dragoon, but to a far lesser extent.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Well, in short let's put it this way:


1.23:
Combo System - Many positioning requirements and other factors met (i.e dodge/missed an attack/evade/under x effect etc)
ARR:
Combo System - Very very few positioning requirements that hardly matters outside of Monk.

1.23:
Battle System in General - The game was on an engine not suited for MMOs so it had some core problems, so if you wish to have experienced it, take what we got with ARR now and add depth and more involvement into it ontop of gear actually meaning something:



I'm also in the camp that 1.23's battle system was better and assumed ARR's would have been an extension of it, making it even better.

I'm not in this camp personally, for the most part ARR's combat is more fluid, snappy, faster. Some issues remain, but I think they went overboard with the positional/conditional requirements as it led to too large a number of skills simply being ignored because they could rarely be activated. The combo system was mostly retained; Battle Regimen was a good idea in theory (basically skillchains that could be executed automatically with the right timing and sequence) but was horribly implemented and ended up only being functional at all with extreme coordnation, ironically the issue with skillchains that BR was trying to lessen.

That being said, what I DO miss is gear with special effects (like what you pictured) ; a few event items do have special effects listed on them, so we know they're possible, but they're mostly absent from all gear (the only one that exists on a crafted item i know of is increased spiritbond gain). I would really like to see gear with unique and/or job specific bonuses to show up, it would really spice things up a bit.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

ontop of gear actually meaning something:

Yoshi-P has mentioned that they will introduce gear at a later stage with more variety in stats. For launch they were very concerned about balance and wanted to keep it fairly simple.

i am hoping they layer the combat involvement back in at least in sprinkles

Regardless of the popularity of mindless 1.0 bashing around here, the original version did many things right. Combat was one of those things.(1.23 version especially) When the dev team asked the player base what it was they wanted, the vocal majority begged for major changes to game as a whole.... So the team went to work revamping/replacing everything about the game.(including the combat) Ironically, many of the same players who spoke out against 1.0 now rant and complain about ARR. ...In short, be careful what you wish for...

Another way to say it might be, maybe the "vocal majority" of players don't always know best.

Originally Posted by Virtuso

But I understand why they changed things. Standing still in one spot and having to talk through battles doesn't make for the most exciting of videos or really be welcoming to the casuals.

I'm a casual and I really hate all the area attacks, the "mechanicks" (that get more annoying than fun after a few times), and how everything is on "go".

Having to run all around while casting skills like a cheesy action game... I thought the most important thing in a FF MMORPG would be what you use, when you use and on whom you use, not how much skills you can throw while following a script. (I was completely ignorant of ARR)

I enjoy the game a lot, but we don't need a WoW-like combat to make the game more like WoW.

Anyway, mine is the same case as OP's... couldn't run the game back then, so I only watched videos.