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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    Because EVERYONE is affected by it, just by varying degrees. You aren't not effected by it, it's just not something you can notice on your end.

    And no, it's not our problems. When I can fire up Rift/WAR/Aion/Tera/GW2/Diablo 3/LoL and have zero problems, ever, then it is something SE has done differently.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling

    Pretty sure SE wouldn't have requested this information for awhile now if there's zero possibility (as you just stated) of it being on our side. SE doesn't run our ISPs, yet it's known ISPs throttle P2P traffic which some reported affect their XIV gameplay. The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design, which as we've proven is way more open than it should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bixby View Post
    Yes, there are some issues that players can and should alleviate. But you seem to be just as much in denial that this could be SE's problem as anyone else is that it could be their own.
    Considering a full PC upgrade fixed my issues with this? It's not 'denial', it's the simple fact in my personal experience it's clear there's more variables than: "It's SE's fault." In my upgrade I didn't even change manufacturers, using newer parts by the same people. Nor did I touch my ISP package or modem/router.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling

    Pretty sure SE wouldn't have requested this information for awhile now if there's zero possibility (as you just stated) of it being on our side. SE doesn't run our ISPs, yet it's known ISPs throttle P2P traffic which some reported affect their XIV gameplay. The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design, which as we've proven is way more open than it should be.
    Let me bold it for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee
    then it is something SE has done differently.
    Thanks for agreeing with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi
    The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    Thanks for agreeing with me.
    Yet there's still plenty of us without the issue which is why they're investigating this. It's already been known SE built XIV differently, no one has ever said otherwise because all throughout 1.x Yoshi went on and on about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Yet there's still plenty of us without the issue which is why they're investigating this. It's already been known SE built XIV differently, no one has ever said otherwise because all throughout 1.x Yoshi went on and on about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    Because EVERYONE is affected by it, just by varying degrees. You aren't not effected by it, it's just not something you can notice on your end.

    Yoshida himself said the issue would be fixed, and it isn't.

    http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...-Transcription

    Post #18 here:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...xed-ASAP/page2

    And then how about this thread in the accepted bugs forum:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29



    You're putting your head in the sand because you, personally, can't see it. Good for you, it's going to pop up at one time or another because it effects everyone. Do you pre-move out of WotL in titan? Have the phases memorized? Have you done twintania? Moved during the last ~.5s of a cast and still completed it?

    Go online, right now, and cast a spell while moving. Does the cast bar pop up, and does part of it start to cast? You do have the problem. I have not met a single person that could not see a cast bar pop up, and part of it cast, while moving.
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    I'm pretty sure Tupsi has the issue, though he doesn't want to admit it or fails to comprehend what it is. In about all games, if you are out of the telegraphed AE area visually, you dont' get hit at all. it doesn't matter if your reaction was slightly late. visually, everything seemed like real time. in this game, it isn't, at all. it scales from player to player a bit, but it happens to everyone unless you live next door to the data center and the routes chosen for you doesn't exceed 1 hop.

    Some people have adapted to this problem. Some adapted to it a long time ago. But because this is now a natural reaction to the problem for them, they don't see it as a problem at all. That is delusional, illusional, denial thinking at it's finest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Considering a full PC upgrade fixed my issues with this? It's not 'denial', it's the simple fact in my personal experience it's clear there's more variables than: "It's SE's fault." In my upgrade I didn't even change manufacturers, using newer parts by the same people. Nor did I touch my ISP package or modem/router.
    I your original hardware met the minimum requirements, it's not an upgrade that should have been necessary. If the game does not function correctly with the hardware it's advertised to work with, that is not the user's problem. It is SE's. The fact that you elected to buy your way out of the broken segment of the population does not mean that there is no broken segment.

    You claim it's impossible for the game to be broken for some people but not others. That's a ridiculous claim. Games are constantly, routinely broken for only certain people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bixby View Post
    You claim it's impossible for the game to be broken for some people but not others. That's a ridiculous claim. Games are constantly, routinely broken for only certain people.
    Exactly. Isn't that pretty much what variables you'd have to consider being other than, "it's not my fault"?

    If your original hardware met the minimum requirements, it's not an upgrade that should have been necessary.
    That's the thing - On my old PC I could play XIV 1.x no problem (aside the obvious design issues), but ARR? Nothing but issues in the regard of this situation. So I got my fiance to build me a brand new pc and poof - every problem I had with ARR vanished. If I told him to go part by part I could have pinpointed it, but I know the most noticable upgrade was my Network Hardware (new mobo) and new GPU. The CPU was actually a "downgrade" if you believe the whole Intel > AMD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    That's the thing - On my old PC I could play XIV 1.x no problem (aside the obvious design issues), but ARR? Nothing but issues in the regard of this situation. So I got my fiance to build me a brand new pc and poof - every problem I had with ARR vanished. If I told him to go part by part I could have pinpointed it, but I know the most noticable upgrade was my Network Hardware (new mobo) and new GPU. The CPU was actually a "downgrade" if you believe the whole Intel > AMD.
    What you are describing has simply zero to do with what people are complaining about. If upgrading your PC "fixed" it for you, this simply means you were running it on too high settings considering your old hardware and you had low FPS/lag which made you get hit by AoEs. Not what people are talking about in ths thread, so troll somewhere else. If you had your fiance build your new computer, this also clearly shows that you lack the knowledge in that field, which makes your PoV invalid, cause you can't contribute any useful insight and you're just posting for the sake of posting.
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    The dance-style combat is broken for me. I've been hit by an AOE from across the room.

    No, I DON'T have a great computer. But if the game runs on it I should be able to play.
    The thing that gets me is there is no other option. I can't say, "This part is an issue for me, so I'll change to a different job and still get to contribute." In FFXI, I could stay off the front lines as WHM and I could throw up Stoneskin and Blink.
    In FFXIV you dance or die. There is no job I can play where I can avoid this glaring issue, and it's not like FFXI where something goes wrong but I can hold out. These things are often insta-kill situations.
    The first dungeons were so much fun where using my actual class abilities could get us out of a bind. The further end-game it gets the more it gets to all look alike. "Dodge the skills or you die, the game".
    I want my job abilities to be what makes the difference, not whether I can afford hundreds of dollars in upgrades for my computer.
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