Thread: .3 Second Positional Update Delay (Requesting Dev Response)

SE are studiously ignoring this issue hoping it will go away. Titan has to be the most frustrating fight in the game. Firstly you have to have ADHD like tendencies to remember the rotation, then compound that with the positional lag nightmare that ensures unless youve moved BEFORE plumes/landslide animation has begun your guaranteed to get hit and its a recipe for disaster.
This positional lag occurs everywhere but its so much more noticeable on Titan. I know im not in the minority here, a large percentage of EU and Oceanic players are experiencing this.
I wish SE would at least acknowlege the issue or come up with a workaround. At the minute some players are complaining Titan is too easy because they DONT have the positional lag meaning they dodge, and dont get hit,which is exactly as it should be. Fix the lag, then adjust the difficulty if needs be.

As someone who fits in the middle of both latency groups, I have good days and bad days where AoE is horrible for me or not. Doing Titan the first attempt was a bad day, as every time he landslides anywhere near me I would fly off; even when I was out of it before the cast bar was at 10% complete. Other days I can run out wait til 98% and run back in and not get hit.

I played wow for a long time. Upgrading my computer right before mop came out to a better graphics card (I easily exceed all of FFXIVs min recs) but I never had any issues with AOE there. Nor in RIFT, DC Universe, D&D Online, XI, or a slew of others that I attempted to get into at one point or the other. I'm looking forward to when addons make it, because there is always a "latency fix" I used wow's before the computer change; still did after but it didnt have a noticeable effect.

Wow I ran on high(custom) settings and got anywhere from 35-70fps in average play; 25mans I could tank to 2fps. FFXIV I run at 23-36 fps and yet the aoe and npc/mob load is the worst I've ever seen in any of the games I've played.

Fates are horrible for me, Instances run at 36fps when I remember to check it. the ping to check servers needs to be fixed or they need to accept that the memory has to be larger so that the local client can handle some of the issues (and therefore the ping can also focus on less and succeed more)

Errrrm, don't think this is still a problem, wireshark says it's 0.1sec positional updates, with positional updates also given with skill commands submitted. Tested quite a bit to make sure it was accurate. Seems this happened ~week or so ago, I know it used to be .3sec updates.

Originally Posted by ByakkoSeven

Errrrm, don't think this is still a problem, wireshark says it's 0.1sec positional updates, with positional updates also given with skill commands submitted. Tested quite a bit to make sure it was accurate. Seems this happened ~week or so ago, I know it used to be .3sec updates.

I don't know that I would consider Wireshark an official source.. as the .3 second update thing came from Yoshi himself, along with a statement that those with a great connection would still see a .1 second delay on the cast bar (perhaps Wireshark misinterpreted this?). Given the responses, and what I see in the forums, and the video examples, something is still an issue. Using skills after you get out of an aoe doesn't work for everyone, though it does seem to work for some. Please don't assume it's not a problem for others, when it clearly is, just because you don't have issues with it.

Originally Posted by Sybreed

I've been a high end raider in EQ, I played WoW for 7 years and was a raider in that game as a main and off tank nearly the entire time, on MUCH crappier computers than I have now, and I have never before seen bosses and encounters in a game that are ONLY hard because you're getting hit by boss moves when you clearly shouldn't be. I can't think of any encounter in any dungeon or raid in any mmo I've played before that this was so true of.

This is what really gets me. I'm not new to raids or dungeons. I've been playing MMOs since I was 18, got a job, and could afford them myself (mom and dad wouldn't pay a sub). That's a decade of MMOs for me.. from Shadowbane to WoW, CoH/CoV and Rift.. I've played almost every MMO on the market at some point (and I'm including a slew of F2P MMOs I've messed with), and done end game stuff for a good 5-6 of them. This is the only game I've ever been hit when I was out of a ground effect before the cast bar was done.

Originally Posted by ByakkoSeven

Errrrm, don't think this is still a problem, wireshark says it's 0.1sec positional updates, with positional updates also given with skill commands submitted. Tested quite a bit to make sure it was accurate. Seems this happened ~week or so ago, I know it used to be .3sec updates.

Out of curiosity, how are you able to tell which outgoing packets contain positional updates? I've taken a look via WireShark recently to try and diagnose a network issue and the packets bound for FFXIV servers appeared obfuscated/encrypted from what I saw - not completely, as some things like character names appeared at times... but all other data was unintelligible using WireShark alone.

Originally Posted by Sunarie

Are there work arounds?

The only real workaround is the make everything client side based instead of server side based. This would make everything you see on the screen actually happen.

An example of a client side based game is WoW, and you can compare how much smoother that game plays.