Thread: .3 Second Positional Update Delay (Requesting Dev Response)

I'm pretty sure Tupsi has the issue, though he doesn't want to admit it or fails to comprehend what it is. In about all games, if you are out of the telegraphed AE area visually, you dont' get hit at all. it doesn't matter if your reaction was slightly late. visually, everything seemed like real time. in this game, it isn't, at all. it scales from player to player a bit, but it happens to everyone unless you live next door to the data center and the routes chosen for you doesn't exceed 1 hop.

Some people have adapted to this problem. Some adapted to it a long time ago. But because this is now a natural reaction to the problem for them, they don't see it as a problem at all. That is delusional, illusional, denial thinking at it's finest.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

And I'll say this again - Until someone can state that this is a universal problem while ignoring that plenty of people don't have this issue and some that did have this problem alleviated it by getting a new router, contacting their ISP or upgrading their machines, you can't ignore the possibility of there being an end-user issue.

Most users "fix" the issue by pre-moving. Others are able to cast a spell once they're out of their position to update their position so they don't get hit. The later wouldn't work if it was caused by latency issues alone. Additionally, -every- MMO has people connecting to it with horrible latency. Every single one. There will always be some people with crappy internet that get a ping equal to that of what some people are getting throttled to. So the issue would still be present in other MMOs. You can't tell me there's not a good portion of people playing WoW (12+ million subscribers at peak) who didn't have crap internet.

I've responded to you before, you keep seeming to ignore it. Latency intensifies the issue, it is not the cause. Everyone does have the issue, it's the whole .1 second delay Yoshi himself stated is there for everyone at the very least. If you fix the cause, suddenly latency is not an issue, just like every other MMO on the market. Fact of the matter is, 500ms in FFXIV will get you killed by AOEs you were out of and that isn't the case for any other MMO out there. Zero. Can people check their end and possibly reduce it? Sometimes they can, sure, but you're still just ignoring the root issue, and that will eventually cause the game to fail as people get frustrated enough with it to leave.

I'm not sure where all these people are that don't have the problem at all. Cause in all the threads I've seen about the issue, it's only about the same 5-6 saying the issue doesn't exist (and yes, when you keep saying that "I don't get it, it's on user's end", you are saying it doesn't exist). There are a few more than that who confuse the issue and say something like "quit QQing cause things are dodgeable".. but still seem to admit the issue is there with phrases like "the problem is they didn't use a skill after the AOE" or "you have to be out by 90% of the cast bar to dodge". People should be able to play this game with the same latency they can play every other game with. 500ms doesn't make any other game's AOEs undodgeable, just this one. Additionally, people shouldn't have to upgrade their computers if they meet the minimum specs on the box, so I personally don't care about any of the upgrading hardware crap (nevermind that it hasn't worked for some people, and PS3 users literally don't have that option).

Edit to add: Also, if you haven't yet, you should really give this thread a once-over http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...annot-be-fixed.
That is from someone in the industry and details out what likely is at the root of all this (we can't know without some sort of statement from SE). It also explains -why- latency highlights it, and how no other MMO that he knows of has used that model before. Go figure. Additionally, you really can't know if it's on the user's end until SE fixes the core issue.

Originally Posted by DakkonBriefs

This needs to be fixed sooner than later

The combat is based on the mechanic of avoiding AoE damage and half the time or more we cant even stun AoE damage before it goes off because our instant skills aren't instant.


cant run out of the AoE in time (game latency)

cant stun it in time (skill animation)

quoting myself to bump thread

Originally Posted by Tupsi

That's the thing - On my old PC I could play XIV 1.x no problem (aside the obvious design issues), but ARR? Nothing but issues in the regard of this situation. So I got my fiance to build me a brand new pc and poof - every problem I had with ARR vanished. If I told him to go part by part I could have pinpointed it, but I know the most noticable upgrade was my Network Hardware (new mobo) and new GPU. The CPU was actually a "downgrade" if you believe the whole Intel > AMD.

What you are describing has simply zero to do with what people are complaining about. If upgrading your PC "fixed" it for you, this simply means you were running it on too high settings considering your old hardware and you had low FPS/lag which made you get hit by AoEs. Not what people are talking about in ths thread, so troll somewhere else. If you had your fiance build your new computer, this also clearly shows that you lack the knowledge in that field, which makes your PoV invalid, cause you can't contribute any useful insight and you're just posting for the sake of posting.

I have same issue, fix please