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    Player Versiroth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Someonewithclap View Post
    Neither myself or any people I play with have an issue with this.

    Not a single person has an issue in my FC, who has 4 groups on T5.
    Honestly, good for you guys. But, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist for a lot of people. This is going to cost some people spots in raid groups. If I can't get into end game groups because I keep getting hit by AOEs out side of the damage area, then why pay for the game once I finish the story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Versiroth View Post
    Honestly, good for you guys. But, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist for a lot of people.
    And no one says it doesn't exist - The problem is the people with the problem simply choose to believe it's a problem with SE/Game only and it absolutely can't be an issue on their end somewhere. By "their end" either what you use to play the game or your ISP or some other middleman. Thing is, Ms Eara there wouldn't be able to dodge anything nor anyone in her FC if there was a definitely source of the problem.

    Like I've said, a game doesn't selective work for some people and choose not to for others without there being a variable to decide: "I think I want to malfunction for you "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    And no one says it doesn't exist - The problem is the people with the problem simply choose to believe it's a problem with SE/Game only and it absolutely can't be an issue on their end somewhere. By "their end" either what you use to play the game or your ISP or some other middleman. Thing is, Ms Eara there wouldn't be able to dodge anything nor anyone in her FC if there was a definitely source of the problem.

    Like I've said, a game doesn't selective work for some people and choose not to for others without there being a variable to decide: "I think I want to malfunction for you "
    Well, asking tons of people to do a bunch of upgrades when the game works perfectly fine with everything else is not a good way to keep customers. My connection shows as excellent, the game runs flawlessly with everything maxed (even when there are 50+ people on the screen during fates). Spending hundreds to "maybe" eliminate this issue is not an option for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    And no one says it doesn't exist - The problem is the people with the problem simply choose to believe it's a problem with SE/Game only and it absolutely can't be an issue on their end somewhere. By "their end" either what you use to play the game or your ISP or some other middleman. Thing is, Ms Eara there wouldn't be able to dodge anything nor anyone in her FC if there was a definitely source of the problem.

    Like I've said, a game doesn't selective work for some people and choose not to for others without there being a variable to decide: "I think I want to malfunction for you "
    Because EVERYONE is affected by it, just by varying degrees. You aren't not effected by it, it's just not something you can notice on your end.

    And no, it's not our problems. When I can fire up Rift/WAR/Aion/Tera/GW2/Diablo 3/LoL and have zero problems, ever, then it is something SE has done differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    Because EVERYONE is affected by it, just by varying degrees. You aren't not effected by it, it's just not something you can notice on your end.

    And no, it's not our problems. When I can fire up Rift/WAR/Aion/Tera/GW2/Diablo 3/LoL and have zero problems, ever, then it is something SE has done differently.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling

    Pretty sure SE wouldn't have requested this information for awhile now if there's zero possibility (as you just stated) of it being on our side. SE doesn't run our ISPs, yet it's known ISPs throttle P2P traffic which some reported affect their XIV gameplay. The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design, which as we've proven is way more open than it should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bixby View Post
    Yes, there are some issues that players can and should alleviate. But you seem to be just as much in denial that this could be SE's problem as anyone else is that it could be their own.
    Considering a full PC upgrade fixed my issues with this? It's not 'denial', it's the simple fact in my personal experience it's clear there's more variables than: "It's SE's fault." In my upgrade I didn't even change manufacturers, using newer parts by the same people. Nor did I touch my ISP package or modem/router.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling

    Pretty sure SE wouldn't have requested this information for awhile now if there's zero possibility (as you just stated) of it being on our side. SE doesn't run our ISPs, yet it's known ISPs throttle P2P traffic which some reported affect their XIV gameplay. The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design, which as we've proven is way more open than it should be.
    Let me bold it for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee
    then it is something SE has done differently.
    Thanks for agreeing with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi
    The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design,
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    Last edited by Kevee; 11-19-2013 at 12:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    Thanks for agreeing with me.
    Yet there's still plenty of us without the issue which is why they're investigating this. It's already been known SE built XIV differently, no one has ever said otherwise because all throughout 1.x Yoshi went on and on about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Yet there's still plenty of us without the issue which is why they're investigating this. It's already been known SE built XIV differently, no one has ever said otherwise because all throughout 1.x Yoshi went on and on about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    Because EVERYONE is affected by it, just by varying degrees. You aren't not effected by it, it's just not something you can notice on your end.

    Yoshida himself said the issue would be fixed, and it isn't.

    http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...-Transcription

    Post #18 here:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...xed-ASAP/page2

    And then how about this thread in the accepted bugs forum:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29



    You're putting your head in the sand because you, personally, can't see it. Good for you, it's going to pop up at one time or another because it effects everyone. Do you pre-move out of WotL in titan? Have the phases memorized? Have you done twintania? Moved during the last ~.5s of a cast and still completed it?

    Go online, right now, and cast a spell while moving. Does the cast bar pop up, and does part of it start to cast? You do have the problem. I have not met a single person that could not see a cast bar pop up, and part of it cast, while moving.
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    I'm pretty sure Tupsi has the issue, though he doesn't want to admit it or fails to comprehend what it is. In about all games, if you are out of the telegraphed AE area visually, you dont' get hit at all. it doesn't matter if your reaction was slightly late. visually, everything seemed like real time. in this game, it isn't, at all. it scales from player to player a bit, but it happens to everyone unless you live next door to the data center and the routes chosen for you doesn't exceed 1 hop.

    Some people have adapted to this problem. Some adapted to it a long time ago. But because this is now a natural reaction to the problem for them, they don't see it as a problem at all. That is delusional, illusional, denial thinking at it's finest.
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    Last edited by DomoNeeko; 11-19-2013 at 02:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Considering a full PC upgrade fixed my issues with this? It's not 'denial', it's the simple fact in my personal experience it's clear there's more variables than: "It's SE's fault." In my upgrade I didn't even change manufacturers, using newer parts by the same people. Nor did I touch my ISP package or modem/router.
    I your original hardware met the minimum requirements, it's not an upgrade that should have been necessary. If the game does not function correctly with the hardware it's advertised to work with, that is not the user's problem. It is SE's. The fact that you elected to buy your way out of the broken segment of the population does not mean that there is no broken segment.

    You claim it's impossible for the game to be broken for some people but not others. That's a ridiculous claim. Games are constantly, routinely broken for only certain people.
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