Thread: .3 Second Positional Update Delay (Requesting Dev Response)

I think the concerns for PvP are overblown because given how universal the lag is, it'd going to cut both ways, and even if the lag makes meleeing not viable, history has shown people are really quick at rerolling to classes that are effective in PvP. I can certainly see a lot of other issues with PvP in this game, but lag isn't one of them. At worst people reroll all to ranged DPS (which isn't even unusual in MMORPG for PvP), and the lag is consistent enough to affect everyone equally. That is, you'll win some due to lag but you'll also lose some to lag when you're the same base archtype (ranged).

However, PvP would make it very clear that the lag is persistent and not just a problem limited to a few guys.

I wish I could get a faster connection too T_T

However. It's still frustrating when trying to do Titan HM and always have someone get hit by a landslide or plume although the people are WAY out of range.

Why can't they add a timestamp to data sent and recieved so the server could determine that a player was out of range at the time the skill went off?
This should also make teleporting between gathering nodes impossible.

It's not very encouraging if the answer to these problems is to "zoom out the camera" ><

Fast connection has nothing to do with this. MMOs don't need more than 10kb/s most of the time, and honestly, which connection doesn't offer that?
Unless you are referring to "low latency" as "fast".

Packet loss is the worst thing that can happen, followed by high latency. This is also the reason I cancelled my sub for now until something is done about it. My ISP told me they can't do anything, so it's up to SE. Let's see what the live letter brings.

As a 1.0 player, I'm especially disappointed the things didn't change (much). The whole talk of regional servers ended up helping only a portion of the people (namely most of the NA), while dividing the community and not offering anything in exchange for the rest of the world. As expected.

I am not entirely sure this belongs here, but I have been experiencing random 90000 errors for the better part of two months now. These errors boot me from the game at least once an hour, sometimes more depending on whenever the errors feel like popping up. They seem to appear more often when I send a chat or perform actions.

I have completed everything on the website's list dealing with connection issues, short of buying a new router (that is four months old). I did not experience these issues during Beta, P4, and even the free trial period. I'm not really sure what to do next to solve this issue, as Square has been very unhelpful in the two tickets I've sent about this already.

I'm hoping this issue is solved because I cannot be reliable anymore as I disconnect constantly.

Originally Posted by doctordugong

I am not entirely sure this belongs here, but I have been experiencing random 90000 errors for the better part of two months now. These errors boot me from the game at least once an hour, sometimes more depending on whenever the errors feel like popping up. They seem to appear more often when I send a chat or perform actions.

I have completed everything on the website's list dealing with connection issues, short of buying a new router (that is four months old). I did not experience these issues during Beta, P4, and even the free trial period. I'm not really sure what to do next to solve this issue, as Square has been very unhelpful in the two tickets I've sent about this already.

Do you have this issue with other games or just FFXIV, that would help narrow down the problem. Tools such as http://www.dslreports.com/linequality may be helpful as well.

Originally Posted by Astarica

You can't have the server wait for the client to send position update to determine whether something hits you or not. Doing this means even more lag. Currently the server decides your fate without waiting for the client and sends the result back, and we already see some pretty incredible lag. Now add another up to 0.3s (time it takes server to finally get your position) and imagine what happens? Yes, it'd usually be in favor of players if the server waited up to another 0.3s to make its decision, but that'd still be horrendous lag. There is absolutely no way around the lag if you don't trust the client to make the decision. This is why the client makes the decision in every other MMORPG.

Duration checks rather than one inaccurate check wouldn't generate lag.

Originally Posted by Citizen_Thom

Duration checks rather than one inaccurate check wouldn't generate lag.

Huh? There's nothing you can do that'd allow you to have accurate information without violating casuality. Let's have this hypothetical timeline:
Time 0.0s - Client sends update, player is in AE.
Time 0.01s - Server receives update from client at 0.0s. During this time, player has now moved out of AE.
Time 0.3s - Client sends update, player is out of AE

How can the server possibly know the accurate player information when it's not scheduled to receive the accurate information 0.29s later? Right now, the server doesn't wait and just sends back 'you didn't dodge that' to the client. If the server waited, it would be able to make a better decision, but you'd have even more lag, and that's not acceptable either. In this case, the server would have to wait for an extra 0.29s compared to what it already does now. While this will generally end up being favorable to players, this means if you really do fail to dodge the AE now you can go REALLY far before you get any update.

Originally Posted by Astarica

How can the server possibly know the accurate player information when it's not scheduled to receive the accurate information 0.29s later?

The way to solve / combat this is when in doubt the client wins in this case.
However everything is server side controlled here which causes these delays in periodic updates. I get the reasoning behind the majority of it as you can 'protect' the data although they have done a piss poor job at accomplishing that so I would suspect this is not an intentional design but just a poor one. Collision detection in online gaming is not that difficult to accomplish there are some great articles linked around explaining this in some simple an technical aspects.